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RE: The Kalam Cosmological Argument
August 4, 2024 at 11:24 am
Plantingas satisfies that condition - it's a successful argument. A rational person can doubt it's assertions - but a rational person could also accept them.
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological Argument
August 4, 2024 at 11:50 am
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Well, like I said, I haven't seen it.
Provide it. If you can.
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological Argument
August 4, 2024 at 12:11 pm
I know you have google, lol.
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological Argument
August 4, 2024 at 12:14 pm
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Here I was enjoying the convo.
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological Argument
August 4, 2024 at 12:21 pm
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(August 4, 2024 at 8:54 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (August 4, 2024 at 5:44 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don't see how that can be called 'successful', since it begins with a condition that is ill-defined and (possibly) self-contradictory.
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Because there isn't anything obviously wrong with the form of the argument or it's assertions - a unique condition in the history of apologetics.
Of course there is - he fails to define ‘omniscient’ and ‘omnipotent’ in a way that makes those qualities non-contradictory. If the principle of non-contradiction is present in the argument, it becomes irrational. How is a non-rational argument ‘successful’?
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological Argument
August 4, 2024 at 12:28 pm
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Omnipotence, to plantinga, is the ability to do anything that is possible. Similarly, his definition of omniscience is knowing everything that can be known. Thus, in plantingas view, there are things that gods cant do or know.
It's not clear why being able to do any possible thing would make it impossible to know any thing that could be known, or vv.
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological Argument
August 4, 2024 at 12:29 pm
So where's the proof of God?
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological Argument
August 4, 2024 at 12:34 pm
You must mean the proof that a successful argument for god exists - and I again suggest you use the internet I know you have.
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological Argument
August 4, 2024 at 12:35 pm
(August 4, 2024 at 12:34 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You must mean the proof that a successful argument for god exists - and I again suggest you use the internet I know you have.
Why can't you post it here for us to discuss it?
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological Argument
August 4, 2024 at 12:37 pm
You've got me, plantingas modal ontological argument doesn't exist. Damn, almost had you.
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