Fentanyl topic split off election thread.

[europeanatheist]

How often have you sought medical care in the US?

Me personally luckily never, I have been several times in US but never needed a doctor there. I have anyway part of my family in US and also my brother in law he is from US though he lives in EU since 3 decades at least.
I am a professional in industrial biotech so I know a couple of things in drugs, nutraceuticals and integrators manufacturing and markets and I have a network of friends from all over the world, and when we meet we talk also about the different health approach in different countries. I also own a company where we have 5 toxicologists looking into health effects of medical devices, impurities in drugs, food contact material interaction with food etc etc and I have a bunch of customers form US, in addition many in my family are medical doctors.

Fentanyl: it is just one of the many examples that I can do for "different approach" between Us and EU and also other areas.
As a pattern, I noticed and it has been confirmed me multiple times by people who lived in both EU and US and needed a doctor, that in the EU we tend more to intervene on lifestyle and drugs, whereas in US you tend more to go for the "the pill fixes the problem" approach.
It may be also related to the thing that we do not consider "health" as a "market" as much as it is in the US, and because good prevention measures costs next to nothing: walking, eating less calories, cook fresh food etc etc

[Angrboda]

Oh. I didn't realize we were talking to an expert.

[europeanatheist]

Thats not entirely correct. You get Fentanyl as well in EU, for strong and very strong pain that is. Not for tooth aches or other tings that are manageable without opioids. My neighbor has cancer, got surgery, and was put, for quite some time on Fentanyl. He showed me his patch.

Of course you get when is needed, but it is statistically more "needed" in the US than in the EU, this is what I said

[Silver]

The hardest pain pill I ever took, only once in my life, was Vicodin.

Most of my life, it was aspirin.

Since that can cause gout flares, I've switched to ibuprofen.

[Ahriman]

I had to take Vicodin after getting my wisdom teeth pulled, as I recall it didn't help much, was still in excruciating pain for days.

[Belacqua]

And, as and FYI,  the word "retard" is generally not acceptable.  

In 2019 on this forum I brought up the fact that "retard" seems unacceptable to me, and was told that it's OK to use.

I'm glad the policy has officially changed.

[europeanatheist]

The hardest pain pill I ever took, only once in my life, was Vicodin.

Most of my life, it was aspirin.

Since that can cause gout flares, I've switched to ibuprofen.

BOth are good choices, Aspirin for example was key in reducing covid mortality, though it did not get the attention it deserved. It was showed already in the early stages of the pandemic that if you got high doses of Aspirin in the very early stages of the infection (basically when you did not get yet the PCR test results) it could mild the effect of the virus and reduce mortality and hospitalization. This is because it intervenes on the inflamatory cascade response.
There are a bunch of old drugs (aspirin is one of these examples) that have a truly remarkable effect on a broad array of diseases

[MR. Macabre 666]

How often have you sought medical care in the US?

Me personally luckily never, I have been several times in US but never needed a doctor there. I have anyway part of my family in US and also my brother in law he is from US though he lives in EU since 3 decades at least.
I am a professional in industrial biotech so I know a couple of things in drugs, nutraceuticals and integrators manufacturing and markets and I have a network of friends from all over the world, and when we meet we talk also about the different health approach in different countries. I also own a company where we have 5 toxicologists looking into health effects of medical devices, impurities in drugs, food contact material interaction with food etc etc and I have a bunch of customers form US, in addition many in my family are medical doctors.

Fentanyl: it is just one of the many examples that I can do for "different approach" between Us and EU and also other areas.
As a pattern, I noticed and it has been confirmed me multiple times by people who lived in both EU and US and needed a doctor, that in the EU we tend more to intervene on lifestyle and drugs, whereas in US you tend more to go for the "the pill fixes the problem" approach.
It may be also related to the thing that we do not consider "health" as a "market" as much as it is in the US, and because good prevention measures costs next to nothing: walking, eating less calories, cook fresh food etc etc

I don't know about the EU, but here in the US, "fresh" food costs a hell of a lot more money.

[arewethereyet]

How often have you sought medical care in the US?

Me personally luckily never, I have been several times in US but never needed a doctor there. I have anyway part of my family in US and also my brother in law he is from US though he lives in EU since 3 decades at least.
I am a professional in industrial biotech so I know a couple of things in drugs, nutraceuticals and integrators manufacturing and markets and I have a network of friends from all over the world, and when we meet we talk also about the different health approach in different countries. I also own a company where we have 5 toxicologists looking into health effects of medical devices, impurities in drugs, food contact material interaction with food etc etc and I have a bunch of customers form US, in addition many in my family are medical doctors.

Fentanyl: it is just one of the many examples that I can do for "different approach" between Us and EU and also other areas.
As a pattern, I noticed and it has been confirmed me multiple times by people who lived in both EU and US and needed a doctor, that in the EU we tend more to intervene on lifestyle and drugs, whereas in US you tend more to go for the "the pill fixes the problem" approach.
It may be also related to the thing that we do not consider "health" as a "market" as much as it is in the US, and because good prevention measures costs next to nothing: walking, eating less calories, cook fresh food etc etc

Since the big opioid crackdown a few years ago, getting anything for pain from a doctor is not that easy.

The many Fentanyl deaths are more black market than they are from prescribed meds.

I had experience with pain meds when my breasts were removed.  I am glad that it was before the opioid panic.  But even then the most potent thing I was given hydrocodone.  And the surgeon didn't want to prescribe that.  The plastic surgeon and my regular doctor were more understanding.  And I didn't develop an addiction since I needed it for pain relief.

Your knowledge may well be not of the real life variety.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

And, as and FYI,  the word "retard" is generally not acceptable.  

In 2019 on this forum I brought up the fact that "retard" seems unacceptable to me, and was told that it's OK to use.

I'm glad the policy has officially changed.

Sadly, it hasn’t (at least not on the Forum).

Boru