Rising crime in the UK

[Fake Messiah]

Hey I'm just going by what I've seen and heard. I don't have to go by the same things as you, do I? I observe, and I believe what my eyes tell me. Worked for my grampa and my daddy and it works for me.

Geez, how long will mods torture us with this troll? 🥶

[Sheldon]

You have already had two sperate citations demonstrating that crime has decreased steadily since the 80's, with the exceptions of cyber crime, and mobile phone theft, and for pretty obvious reasons. Would you really trust unevidenced third-party hearsay over that? Why? What one person has seen, doesn't evidence national trends in crime, I think you must be able to see that this is a preposterous idea.

Hey I'm just going by what I've seen and heard. 

Why, if it is demonstrably irrational, and refuted by objective evidence? 

I don't have to go by the same things as you, do I? 

No indeed, you are free to continue to base claims ideas and beliefs on irrational arguments, and unevidenced hearsay, but why would you when those are poor ways to reason, if you care whether something is true or not?

I observe, and I believe what my eyes tell me. 

Do you believe magic is real? Only I have seen illusionist preform magic tricks, and been unable to explain how they did it, and it's worth noting that I was aware beforehand that my senses can be deceived. FWIW personal testimony is notoriously unreliable. 

Worked for my grampa and my daddy and it works for me.

Well no it doesn't work, unless you mean it easily and blindly reinforces existing subjective beliefs and prejudices. If you are pursuing what is more likely to be true, it is a woeful standard to set. I would also be loathe to set a standard for credulity, just because people I loved used it, rather I would try and set a standard that more reliably returned beliefs, that were more likely to be true, than not. .

[Sheldon]

I know this leapt out as third part hearsay, almost as alarming as the hyperbole of the "everyone knows" assertion. So for clarity, since he seems to think these are compelling claims, claiming to know what "everyone" thinks is risible hyperbole, and of course, the number of people who believe something (alone), tells us nothing about the validity of that belief. In the absence of any objective evidence, as this claim was offered, it represents a bare appeal to numbers, which of course is how an argumentum ad populum fallacy is defined. making the claim irrational, by definition.

I don't understand all your complicated words, all I know is that when my eyes tell me something, I should believe it. 

Well without wishing to seem condescending, you can easily Google any word for it's definition. Your senses, like everyone else's, can be easily deceived, alone they are not a reliable or objective standard. 

I didn't go to your fancy university, all I know is my farm, my cows, my horses, and the difference between shit and shinola.

I have never been to university, nor is it necessary in order to have a reasonable command of language and grammar. With a little effort, anyone can learn to critically examine ideas and arguments. You could do worse than learning what common logical fallacies are, and how to avoid using them, and spot them in the arguments of others, and learn what this implies.

So for example, you have no objective evidence that crime is rising in the UK, none. Two posters have offered citations for objective evidence to demonstrate the opposite is true. What does this suggest to you? Your claim to know what everyone knows, is risible hyperbole, and of course was again offered without the pretence of evidence to support it, and without any evidence it is a bare appeal to numbers, an argumentum ad populum fallacy, thus it is an irrational claim by definition. 

Do you think therefore it is a reliable way to reason, or a poor weak way to reason? It's the latter obviously.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Worked for my grampa and my daddy and it works for me.

[A. Secular Human]

There has been a dramatic rise in crime in the UK in recent years, as well as in other countries. What could be the cause of this? There was a time when stabbings and acid attacks and other crimes were rare, but it seems that nowadays it's a case of another day another stabbing. 

Whether it's "urban youths" (strange term, don't you think?) stealing phones, or individuals behaving in an aggressive, erratic way, there's always something in the news every day. It's also very worrying how many individuals these days are walking around wearing balaclavas. 

It never used to be like this. I wonder what might have given rise to all this crime and violence.

If you look at actual accurate and reliable crime statistics in the USA...crime is *down*.

Don't believe everything you read in the reich-wing press.

[A. Secular Human]

You have already had two sperate citations demonstrating that crime has decreased steadily since the 80's, with the exceptions of cyber crime, and mobile phone theft, and for pretty obvious reasons. Would you really trust unevidenced third-party hearsay over that? Why? What one person has seen, doesn't evidence national trends in crime, I think you must be able to see that this is a preposterous idea.

Hey I'm just going by what I've seen and heard. I don't have to go by the same things as you, do I? I observe, and I believe what my eyes tell me. Worked for my grampa and my daddy and it works for me.

"...and I believe what my eyes tell me."

Don't tell me...you're a flerfer too?

[The Grand Nudger]

...and do the cows and the horses tell you The Blacks are the problem?  Are they here with us right now?

[Jamie Smithie]

...and do the cows and the horses tell you The Blacks are the problem?  Are they here with us right now?

Yes, and I can show you where they touched me.

[Rev. Rye]

You have already had two sperate citations demonstrating that crime has decreased steadily since the 80's, with the exceptions of cyber crime, and mobile phone theft, and for pretty obvious reasons. Would you really trust unevidenced third-party hearsay over that? Why? What one person has seen, doesn't evidence national trends in crime, I think you must be able to see that this is a preposterous idea.

Hey I'm just going by what I've seen and heard. I don't have to go by the same things as you, do I? I observe, and I believe what my eyes tell me. Worked for my grampa and my daddy and it works for me.

How exactly do you see it, and who did you hear it from?

[Jamie Smithie]

Hey I'm just going by what I've seen and heard. I don't have to go by the same things as you, do I? I observe, and I believe what my eyes tell me. Worked for my grampa and my daddy and it works for me.

How exactly do you see it, and who did you hear it from?

Various times, situations and people over a long period of time. That's a bit of a broad question, don't you think?