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In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 7, 2025 at 8:21 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 7, 2025 at 7:29 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I find the God of the Bible to be a reprehensible character, but that assessment is neither the cause nor the source of my atheism.

You might not think it is, but the attitude definitely influenced your position. Surely, you at least don't deny the correlation? It's not a coincidence why every atheist in the past few pages doubled down on God being reprehensible, when you know not a single Christian would ever agree with that assessment.

Yet another Christian telling atheists what they think, feel, and believe. If you have to deny other people's lived experiences, maybe your position isn't as strong as you think.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 7, 2025 at 10:47 am)Angrboda Wrote: Yet another Christian telling atheists what they think, feel, and believe. If you have to deny other people's lived experiences, maybe your position isn't as strong as you think.

Sounds like a regular day in psychology to me. But I understand people think they have more agency and intention than they do, and it isn't easy parting with those intuitions.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 7, 2025 at 8:21 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 7, 2025 at 7:29 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I find the God of the Bible to be a reprehensible character, but that assessment is neither the cause nor the source of my atheism.

You might not think it is, but the attitude definitely influenced your position. 
Priceless, he states unequivocally that your unevidenced assumption about why he disbelieves is categorically wrong, and guess what, you think you know better than he does, why he disbelieves. 
Quote:Surely, you at least don't deny the correlation? It's not a coincidence why every atheist in the past few pages doubled down on God being reprehensible, when you know not a single Christian would ever agree with that assessment.
I have enlarged where he denied it in unequivocally that post, since you're struggling, you're welcome...bro
Quote:It's not a coincidence why every atheist in the past few pages doubled down on God being reprehensible, 
Not one single atheist has claimed that, only commented on what the bible says, you must have an execrable grasp of language if you think those are the same things. 
Quote:when you know not a single Christian would ever agree with that assessment.

Why would I care, I have seen Christians lie again and again about what the bible says, over decades. Either way, there is still be no objective evidence a deity or deities exist, or that they are even possible. 
So how it is depicted is irrelevant to my atheism.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 7, 2025 at 10:55 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 7, 2025 at 10:47 am)Angrboda Wrote: Yet another Christian telling atheists what they think, feel, and believe.  If you have to deny other people's lived experiences, maybe your position isn't as strong as you think.

Sounds like a regular day in psychology to me. But I understand people think they have more agency and intention than they do, and it isn't easy parting with those intuitions.
Not really, there is some pretty longstanding research in psychology that demonstrates that as a species we are inclined to alter our beliefs, in order to conform to the majority, for a variety of reasons. It's called conformity, and is a well-documented psychological and social phenomenon. 

Since  atheism is not a belief, or a claim, it is the absence or lack of one particular belief, they seem to be  going against that trend. In many parts of the world, at no small risk as well. 

It is asinine to suggest my disbelief is a reaction to the way the deity is depicted, that hasn't stopped billions from deluding themselves after all, and since the belief is entirely subjective, one could imagine any saccharine version of a deity one wanted, if one didn't care there was no objective evidence at all that any deity or deities exist, or are even possible. I have seen Christians do this plenty of times, Jesus is love etc etc, while ignoring the rest of the bible that they don't like. According to your post above no Christian would accept the factual descriptions atheists here have offered from the bible. 

I just see no reason to delude myself.

A more troubling question is why anyone would worship something that evil, even if they believe it to be real?
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
Quote:Sounds like a regular day in psychology to me. But I understand people think they have more agency and intention than they do, and it isn't easy parting with those intuitions.
Not any psychology I'm familiar with this again you creating made up psychology try and shoehorn your make-believe theory into reality
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 7, 2025 at 11:32 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Not any psychology I'm familiar with this again you creating made up psychology try and shoehorn your make-believe theory into reality

Then allow me to introduce you: personal anecdotes aren't data. Your lived experience and your group's experience exist at two different levels of analysis.

And not that it matters, because everyone's experience here has been consistent with my correlation: they have negative relational attitudes, and they're also atheists. The only debate is whether the correlation is causal.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 7, 2025 at 8:21 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 7, 2025 at 7:29 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I find the God of the Bible to be a reprehensible character, but that assessment is neither the cause nor the source of my atheism.

You might not think it is, but the attitude definitely influenced your position. Surely, you at least don't deny the correlation? It's not a coincidence why every atheist in the past few pages doubled down on God being reprehensible, when you know not a single Christian would ever agree with that assessment.

I do indeed deny the correlation. My views of fictional characters have nothing to do my worldview.

I don’t think God is reprehensible, I think the character as portrayed in the Bible is reprehensible. I also think Hannibal Lecter, Sauron, and Lex Luthor are reprehensible as fictional characters. 

Boru
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 7, 2025 at 11:23 am)Sheldon Wrote: Since  atheism is not a belief, or a claim, it is the absence or lack of one particular belief, they seem to be  going against that trend. In many parts of the world, at no small risk as well. 

You do not have an absence of belief. Your brain doesn't just go blank if I ask about your thoughts on any number of propositions regarding God. Your brain is full of attitudes and beliefs and judgment, with each one of them having different strengths, functions, and salience levels, and with values and probabilities ascribed to each them.

You cannot be as verbose as you are and truly think your brain goes into a comatose state when constructing beliefs.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
Quote:Then allow me to introduce you: personal anecdotes aren't data. Your lived experience and your group's experience exist at two different levels of analysis.
Rubbish


Quote:And not that it matters, because everyone's experience here has been consistent with my correlation
Nothing here has in anyway affirmed you non-existent correlation


Quote: they have negative relational attitudes, and they're also atheists. The only debate is whether the correlation is causal.
Nope nothing here confirms your made up  correlation
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
Quote:You do not have an absence of belief. Your brain doesn't just go blank if I ask about your thoughts on any number of propositions regarding God. Your brain is full of attitudes and beliefs and judgment, with each one of them having different strengths, functions, and salience levels, and with values and probabilities ascribed to each them.

You cannot be as verbose as you are and truly think your brain goes into a comatose state when constructing beliefs.
Nope Atheists have absence of beliefs about god. Once again a nonsense statement of you trying to make atheism something it's not  

1. Atheists have an absence of beliefs and only based on the failure of theists to give rational reasons or evidence  for god 

2. Atheism has nothing to do with negative experience or attitudes about an invisible sky pixie it's  only based on the failure of theists to give rational reasons or evidence for god 

Inventing make-believe psychological bullocks does not change that.
"Change was inevitable"


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–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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