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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 12:41 pm
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(May 7, 2025 at 12:16 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 7, 2025 at 11:23 am)Sheldon Wrote: Since atheism is not a belief, or a claim, it is the absence or lack of one particular belief, they seem to be going against that trend. In many parts of the world, at no small risk as well.
You do not have an absence of belief. That is precisely what atheism is, and precisely what I have.
Quote:Your brain doesn't just go blank if I ask about your thoughts on any number of propositions regarding God.
Straw man fallacy.
Quote:Your brain is full of attitudes and beliefs and judgment,
Indeed, but then I never claimed atheists don't hold beliefs, only that atheism is not a belief, but the lack or absence of one, it has neither dogma nor doctrine.
Quote:You cannot be as verbose as you are and truly think your brain goes into a comatose state when constructing beliefs.
Another straw man fallacy...again I am done explaining why, or you will never learn.
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1. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
I shan't even feign surprise that you ignored the main point, which is that your claim to understand the psychology of atheists is not just woefully incorrect, but at odds with well established psychological research.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 12:49 pm
Hmn, let's test this theory. Would it be safe to say, John, that the reason you don't believe in other gods, and do believe in the one god among thousands that you do, is that you have negative attitudes about the others and a positive attitude about the one?
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 12:49 pm
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(May 7, 2025 at 12:41 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Indeed, but then I never claimed atheists don't hold beliefs, only that atheism is not a belief, but the lack or absence of one, it has neither dogma nor doctrine.
Good, because who cares what athe- ism as a system, or philosophy, or ideology, entails. I'm talking about atheists, individuals who do have beliefs and attitudes.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 12:51 pm
(May 7, 2025 at 11:53 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 7, 2025 at 11:32 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Not any psychology I'm familiar with this again you creating made up psychology try and shoehorn your make-believe theory into reality
personal anecdotes aren't data. Irony overload.
Quote:everyone's experience here has been consistent with my correlation:
Not even remotely true.
Quote: they have negative relational attitudes, and they're also atheists.
Wrong, that is not my experience, and of course that is a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy if ever there was one, correlation is not causation.
Quote:The only debate is whether the correlation is causal.
You have been told repeatedly, by every atheist who has responded, that it is not, quod erat demonstrandum.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 12:51 pm
How does "I don't believe in a god or gods" translate to a belief?
I don't believe in Bigfoot either...also, not a belief.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 12:53 pm
(May 7, 2025 at 12:51 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: How does "I don't believe in a god or gods" translate to a belief?
I don't believe in Bigfoot either...also, not a belief.
What…what ABOUT Bigfoot??
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 12:56 pm
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Looks like we are finally getting to real meat of this. Jonny thinks non belief is actually belief. I also assume the thinks bald is a hair color and Powering your TV Off is just another channel.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 12:57 pm
(May 7, 2025 at 12:53 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (May 7, 2025 at 12:51 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: How does "I don't believe in a god or gods" translate to a belief?
I don't believe in Bigfoot either...also, not a belief.
What…what ABOUT Bigfoot??
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 12:58 pm
(May 7, 2025 at 12:49 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Would it be safe to say, John, that the reason you don't believe in other gods, and do believe in the one god among thousands that you do, is that you have negative attitudes about the others and a positive attitude about the one?
Correct; it almost certainly plays a role and colors the way I evaluate evidence for them.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 12:58 pm
(This post was last modified: May 7, 2025 at 1:05 pm by Sheldon.)
(May 7, 2025 at 12:49 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 7, 2025 at 12:41 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Indeed, but then I never claimed atheists don't hold beliefs, only that atheism is not a belief, but the lack or absence of one, it has neither dogma nor doctrine.
Good, because who cares what athe-ism as a system, or philosophy, or ideology, entails. It is isn't a philosophy, or an ideology, or a system of any kind, and what it entails is the lack or absence of belief in any deity or deities, and that hilarious hyphen says it all really. A-theism would be more apropos, as in asymptotic, asexual, amoral, the a donates a lack or absence, as in the lack or absence of theism. Did you really receive a university education?
Quote: I'm talking about atheists, individuals who do have beliefs and attitudes.
Exactly, in response to a claim I made about atheism, again this false equivalence speaks volumes.
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