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In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
It might help if John would look up the definition of ‘relationship’.

Boru
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 6, 2025 at 9:26 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 6, 2025 at 9:11 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: You're missing the point that I don't have a god to develop an internal framework toward. No god. No relationship.

You still have attitudes towards God, or the concept of God. You've probably stated many of them on the forum. And if not, we can test it right now. Do you agree with at least one of the following statements: 1. The God of the Bible is capriciously malevolent. 2. The God of the Bible is merciful and gracious.

Nope. The god of the Bible is fictitious. You could assess his actions within the biblical narrative but it's about as productive looking for the motivations for Little Bo-Peep.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 7, 2025 at 2:27 am)Sheldon Wrote:
(May 6, 2025 at 6:10 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Then having no girlfriend would be your relationship status.

Correct, it would be non existent, as in no relationship, no girlfriend would exist. 

I thought it an imperfect analogy, as we know girlfriends can exist, unlike deities, but it's actually not a bad analogy at all.

I was using an example of something that we can all agree exists (I hope) to highlight how not having any entails not being in a relationship. I could have had him in a relationship with his hand, but then I'd have needed to employ amputation to properly get the point across and I viewed that as unkind.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
I find the God of the Bible to be a reprehensible character, but that assessment is neither the cause nor the source of my atheism. If he was all sweetness and light, goodness and mercy, I still wouldn’t believe.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 6, 2025 at 7:38 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:  I think people are also more or less likely to believe based on their interaction and relationship with other followers. A person treated badly by christians is more likely to not believe God exists, and a person treated well is more likely to believe he does.

..and yet here you are, treating people poorly.  This is why atheists don't have to go door to door.  We have the likes of you out there shitting on christian beliefs for us.
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(May 7, 2025 at 7:29 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I find the God of the Bible to be a reprehensible character, but that assessment is neither the cause nor the source of my atheism.

You might not think it is, but the attitude definitely influenced your position. Surely, you at least don't deny the correlation? It's not a coincidence why every atheist in the past few pages doubled down on God being reprehensible, when you know not a single Christian would ever agree with that assessment.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 7, 2025 at 8:21 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 7, 2025 at 7:29 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I find the God of the Bible to be a reprehensible character, but that assessment is neither the cause nor the source of my atheism.

You might not think it is, but the attitude definitely influenced your position. Surely, you at least don't deny the correlation? It's not a coincidence why every atheist in the past few pages doubled down on God being reprehensible, when you know not a single Christian would ever agree with that assessment.

I found god to be absent.  Apparently, he thought that the abuse I endured at the hands of my parents was okay.  I prayed with all the faith a child could muster in the hope that god would intervene.  Two reasons that he didn't came to mind...either as a little kid I deserved what was happening or I was praying to the sky and no one was there to listen or offer help.

If I were to go into some of the stories I would find some of them reprehensible.  But that isn't what caused my lack of faith.
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Christians aren't particularly notable for their good moral sense.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
Quote:You might not think it is, but the attitude definitely influenced your position. 
Nope



Quote:Surely, you at least don't deny the correlation?
You can't deny something that isn't there 


Quote: It's not a coincidence why every atheist in the past few pages doubled down on God being reprehensible, when you know not a single Christian would ever agree with that assessment.
Nobody doubled down on anything yet more fiction from you
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
Johnny just rehashing the tired " Your just mad at god trope " .......lol
"Change was inevitable"


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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
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