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Help needed with essay on atheism
#31
RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
(April 22, 2011 at 8:37 pm)Garmston Ansell Wrote: Were you ever a theist?

No. I was never a theist. I never did believe in a god. Just couldn't be convinced of one.
Been atheist all my life.Big Grin
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#32
RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
(April 22, 2011 at 8:38 pm)Ace Otana Wrote:
(April 22, 2011 at 8:37 pm)Garmston Ansell Wrote: Were you ever a theist?

No. I was never a theist. I never did believe in a god. Just couldn't be convinced of one.
Been atheist all my life.Big Grin

Are there any theists here?
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#33
RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
(April 22, 2011 at 8:40 pm)Garmston Ansell Wrote: Are there any theists here?

There are a good few. They likes to hide sometimes. Big Grin
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#34
RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
(April 22, 2011 at 8:40 pm)Ace Otana Wrote:
(April 22, 2011 at 8:40 pm)Garmston Ansell Wrote: Are there any theists here?

There are a good few. They likes to hide sometimes. Big Grin

It would be interesting to get their input too.
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#35
RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
(April 22, 2011 at 8:10 pm)Garmston Ansell Wrote: So you don't see any patterns?

No, not really. There are some triggers for hostility against the religious. However, like I said, they are not triggers for all.
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#36
RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
(April 22, 2011 at 8:40 pm)Garmston Ansell Wrote:
(April 22, 2011 at 8:38 pm)Ace Otana Wrote:
(April 22, 2011 at 8:37 pm)Garmston Ansell Wrote: Were you ever a theist?

No. I was never a theist. I never did believe in a god. Just couldn't be convinced of one.
Been atheist all my life.Big Grin

Are there any theists here?

Used to be, if that helps.
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#37
RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
Quote:Is there a specific reason for the aggression?


Speaking only for myself, I am tired of their sanctimonious bullshit.
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#38
RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
(April 22, 2011 at 7:02 pm)Garmston Ansell Wrote: I'm writing an essay about atheism and belief in god / religion. I'm not an atheist nor am I a believer in god. Basically I'm on the fence, and until now it's not something that I've given much thought to, hence why I feel the need to ask both sides. For the belief in god / religion part of the essay, I've begun asking believers and religious people about their views, and for the atheism part I'm here to ask about atheism.

So, any input will be appreciated. Thanks.

You are an atheist, anyone who does not believe in god(s) is.

Atheism is a rejection of claims made by theists about the existence of gods and those propositions that follow - The cause of the universe, the nature of reality, the existence of life after death etc - The rejection is most commonly on the basis that "none of these claims are supported by evidence" - A more detailed rejection is one such as "these claims fail to achieve epistemic justification" - They fail to reach achieve the support that would be required for any perfectly rational person to believe them.

For example, the "Personal revelation" touted by a great many believers as one of their core reasons for believing in a deity - An impartial and rational observer could not conclude for himself that a deity exists based on these revelations for a number of reasons, but the most obvious being that personal revelation is a standard of evidence that permits innumerable contradictory conclusions - One believer may receive a revelation from Jesus informing him of the truth of the trinity, another may receive a revelation of Allah telling him that he is the one true God - One person may have it revealed to him that it is okay to permit marriage amongst homosexuals and another may receive the opposite - Any standard of evidence put forth as an argument for the existence of a deity that yields such a great number of contradictory results simply cannot be taken seriously.
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#39
RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
(April 23, 2011 at 2:11 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Is there a specific reason for the aggression?


Speaking only for myself, I am tired of their sanctimonious bullshit.

Whose? Are you talking about all theists or someone specifically?
(April 23, 2011 at 3:23 am)theVOID Wrote:
(April 22, 2011 at 7:02 pm)Garmston Ansell Wrote: I'm writing an essay about atheism and belief in god / religion. I'm not an atheist nor am I a believer in god. Basically I'm on the fence, and until now it's not something that I've given much thought to, hence why I feel the need to ask both sides. For the belief in god / religion part of the essay, I've begun asking believers and religious people about their views, and for the atheism part I'm here to ask about atheism.

So, any input will be appreciated. Thanks.

You are an atheist, anyone who does not believe in god(s) is.

Atheism is a rejection of claims made by theists about the existence of gods and those propositions that follow - The cause of the universe, the nature of reality, the existence of life after death etc - The rejection is most commonly on the basis that "none of these claims are supported by evidence" - A more detailed rejection is one such as "these claims fail to achieve epistemic justification" - They fail to reach achieve the support that would be required for any perfectly rational person to believe them.

For example, the "Personal revelation" touted by a great many believers as one of their core reasons for believing in a deity - An impartial and rational observer could not conclude for himself that a deity exists based on these revelations for a number of reasons, but the most obvious being that personal revelation is a standard of evidence that permits innumerable contradictory conclusions - One believer may receive a revelation from Jesus informing him of the truth of the trinity, another may receive a revelation of Allah telling him that he is the one true God - One person may have it revealed to him that it is okay to permit marriage amongst homosexuals and another may receive the opposite - Any standard of evidence put forth as an argument for the existence of a deity that yields such a great number of contradictory results simply cannot be taken seriously.

I think perhaps brain chemistry may play a part although I also think sometimes it's just a matter of simply believing that it's likely that there's a god, or rejecting the notion, or in my case neither believing nor rejecting it. Do you think brain chemistry has anything to do with religious belief?
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#40
RE: Help needed with essay on atheism
Lots of things have an input on religious belief: fear, ignorance, delusion, indoctrination,peer/authoritarian pressure and 'religious experiences' which can be mostly explained as missunderstanding brain chemistry, there is a thread on near death experiences here somewhere where someone has made this error.
These are just some of the reasons for peoples beliefs in the supernatural.
Sometimes people just want to believe insomething and look around for the bullshit that best suits them.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.




 








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