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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 22, 2025 at 2:51 am
(September 22, 2025 at 2:37 am)panpan Wrote: Artificial Intelligence is a new form of intelligence! It is the result of Life, DNA > Humans > Artificial Intelligence.
No. It's a collection of algorithms created by humans and has no innate intelligence of its own. Essentially it's a glorified librarian that cuts and pastes things together into patterns.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 22, 2025 at 4:07 am
'I'm not afraid of artificial intelligence. I'm afraid of natural stupidity.' - Guillermo Del Toro
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 22, 2025 at 4:09 am
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(September 22, 2025 at 2:37 am)panpan Wrote: (September 22, 2025 at 2:24 am)Astreja Wrote: Neither the First Law of Thermodynamics nor Einstein's E=mc² say anything about "the superintelligence of the creation of the universe."
Intelligence is a property of mind, which is an emergent property of the physical brain due to its organization into a complex electrochemical network. If that network is destroyed (which happens at death, when the brain essentially rots from lack of oxygen), mind disappears.
Unless they somehow organize into some sort of network with functions such as perception and memory, matter/energy cannot be intelligent.
Artificial Intelligence is a new form of intelligence! It is the result of Life, DNA > Humans > Artificial Intelligence.
Since only intelligence can create Intelligence, which is stated by the second law of logic based on the first, the intelligent person will try to find the intelligent creator of the intelligent DNA, using his logic!
I think it's time you responded to this, from Angrboda:
Quote:The human brain's parts are not intelligent. The parts give rise to the effects of the whole, i.e. intelligence. The whole's effects are thus ultimately caused by unintelligent parts.
You might also ponder the fact that 'intelligent DNA' is a nonsense term, since DNA is not and cannot be intelligent. You can place a beaker of DNA on your workbench for as long as you like - it will never solve a quadratic equation, write a sonnet, or ask itself, 'What does it all mean?' You might as well try the same experiment with a block of lead.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 22, 2025 at 4:17 am
(September 22, 2025 at 2:51 am)Astreja Wrote: (September 22, 2025 at 2:37 am)panpan Wrote: Artificial Intelligence is a new form of intelligence! It is the result of Life, DNA > Humans > Artificial Intelligence.
No. It's a collection of algorithms created by humans and has no innate intelligence of its own. Essentially it's a glorified librarian that cuts and pastes things together into patterns.
Of course, Artificial Intelligence does not have its own intelligence, it is intelligence that has been given to it by intelligent beings, that is, by us. It will be its own when it can maintain and reproduce itself, which will not be long in coming technologically.
This proves that only intelligence can create intelligence.
As it proves that intelligence is a form of energy that can manifest itself both biologically and technologically as everything is energy that manifests itself in different ways.
Of course, we have not reached the level of discovering our Creator, so we are looking to the stars for answers.
But now we have the absolute laws of logic that logically show us the right direction to search and the first step they show us is that life is intelligent!
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 22, 2025 at 4:27 am
(September 22, 2025 at 4:17 am)panpan Wrote: (September 22, 2025 at 2:51 am)Astreja Wrote: No. It's a collection of algorithms created by humans and has no innate intelligence of its own. Essentially it's a glorified librarian that cuts and pastes things together into patterns.
Of course, Artificial Intelligence does not have its own intelligence, it is intelligence that has been given to it by intelligent beings, that is, by us. It will be its own when it can maintain and reproduce itself, which will not be long in coming technologically.
This proves that only intelligence can create intelligence.
As it proves that intelligence is a form of energy that can manifest itself both biologically and technologically as everything is energy that manifests itself in different ways.
Of course, we have not reached the level of discovering our Creator, so we are looking to the stars for answers.
But now we have the absolute laws of logic that logically show us the right direction to search and the first step they show us is that life is intelligent!
If only intelligence can create intelligence (although I profoundly doubt that!) it naturally follows that something intelligent must have created your alleged god. And another intelligent being would have had to create the being that created your god. And so on, backwards through time.
It's a moot point, though, because I believe wholeheartedly that your "Creator" being is fictional. I do not respect it. I do not pray to it. I do not worship it.
(Why do people worship, anyway? What a barmy behaviour that is.)
If your imaginary friend can't manifest in my environment in a way that makes it real to me, I have no reason to think that it exists. And there is nothing, absolutely nothing that you can do or say to alter this state of affairs, O mortal. You are wasting your time here, and also wasting your life in thrall to a silly fiction.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 22, 2025 at 4:29 am
(September 22, 2025 at 4:17 am)panpan Wrote: (September 22, 2025 at 2:51 am)Astreja Wrote: No. It's a collection of algorithms created by humans and has no innate intelligence of its own. Essentially it's a glorified librarian that cuts and pastes things together into patterns.
Of course, Artificial Intelligence does not have its own intelligence, it is intelligence that has been given to it by intelligent beings, that is, by us. It will be its own when it can maintain and reproduce itself, which will not be long in coming technologically.
This proves that only intelligence can create intelligence.
As it proves that intelligence is a form of energy that can manifest itself both biologically and technologically as everything is energy that manifests itself in different ways.
Of course, we have not reached the level of discovering our Creator, so we are looking to the stars for answers.
But now we have the absolute laws of logic that logically show us the right direction to search and the first step they show us is that life is intelligent!
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Is a cactus intelligent? How about an earthworm? An oyster?
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 22, 2025 at 4:30 am
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(September 22, 2025 at 4:27 am)Astreja Wrote: (September 22, 2025 at 4:17 am)panpan Wrote: Of course, Artificial Intelligence does not have its own intelligence, it is intelligence that has been given to it by intelligent beings, that is, by us. It will be its own when it can maintain and reproduce itself, which will not be long in coming technologically.
This proves that only intelligence can create intelligence.
As it proves that intelligence is a form of energy that can manifest itself both biologically and technologically as everything is energy that manifests itself in different ways.
Of course, we have not reached the level of discovering our Creator, so we are looking to the stars for answers.
But now we have the absolute laws of logic that logically show us the right direction to search and the first step they show us is that life is intelligent!
If only intelligence can create intelligence (although I profoundly doubt that!) it naturally follows that something intelligent must have created your alleged god. And another intelligent being would have had to create the being that created your god. And so on, backwards through time.
It's a moot point, though, because I believe wholeheartedly that your "Creator" being is fictional. I do not respect it. I do not pray to it. I do not worship it.
(Why do people worship, anyway? What a barmy behaviour that is.)
If your imaginary friend can't manifest in my environment in a way that makes it real to me, I have no reason to think that it exists. And there is nothing, absolutely nothing that you can do or say to alter this state of affairs, O mortal. You are wasting your time here, and also wasting your life in thrall to a silly fiction.
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I believe the technical psychology term for that is, 'Hedging your bet.'
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 22, 2025 at 4:50 am
(September 22, 2025 at 4:27 am)Astreja Wrote: (September 22, 2025 at 4:17 am)panpan Wrote: Of course, Artificial Intelligence does not have its own intelligence, it is intelligence that has been given to it by intelligent beings, that is, by us. It will be its own when it can maintain and reproduce itself, which will not be long in coming technologically.
This proves that only intelligence can create intelligence.
As it proves that intelligence is a form of energy that can manifest itself both biologically and technologically as everything is energy that manifests itself in different ways.
Of course, we have not reached the level of discovering our Creator, so we are looking to the stars for answers.
But now we have the absolute laws of logic that logically show us the right direction to search and the first step they show us is that life is intelligent!
If only intelligence can create intelligence (although I profoundly doubt that!) it naturally follows that something intelligent must have created your alleged god. And another intelligent being would have had to create the being that created your god. And so on, backwards through time.
It's a moot point, though, because I believe wholeheartedly that your "Creator" being is fictional. I do not respect it. I do not pray to it. I do not worship it.
(Why do people worship, anyway? What a barmy behaviour that is.)
If your imaginary friend can't manifest in my environment in a way that makes it real to me, I have no reason to think that it exists. And there is nothing, absolutely nothing that you can do or say to alter this state of affairs, O mortal. You are wasting your time here, and also wasting your life in thrall to a silly fiction.
I wrote it before in a comment but you probably didn't notice it. "Einstein's equation E=mc² "Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared", expresses the fundamental concept that energy and mass are interchangeable, two forms of the same thing.
Theoretically and based on the first law of thermodynamics and Einstein's equation, the superintelligence of the creation of the universe did not come from nowhere, it always existed, exists and will exist.".
You don't need to pray to the Creator - God as long as you respect yourself, others and his creations.
In the world you live in, it is everywhere, wherever there is life, it manifests itself every moment living on a planet where we still don't know what gravity is, while we can explain it mechanically, we don't know what it really is except by expressing theories!
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 22, 2025 at 1:23 pm
"Intelligence is the ability to perceive information, to organize that information into knowledge, and, with that knowledge, to act.
It is the First Absolute Law of Logic because it defines, in a concise and indisputable way, what intelligence is. It is called "absolute" because it is self-validating (the attempt to deny it confirms it) and it is first because every concept depends on the existence of intelligence to be formulated.
Proof:
Anyone who attempts to dispute this definition: first perceives the information of the definition, organizes it into knowledge to understand it, and finally acts by voicing the dispute. Therefore, they use the exact three elements, Perception > Knowledge > Action, that the Law defines as the mechanism of intelligence."
Is someone unable to act unintelligent? Without assistance and artificial aids, would Hawking have ceased to be intelligent when he was no longer able to act?
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
September 22, 2025 at 1:29 pm
(September 22, 2025 at 12:43 am)panpan Wrote: Einstein's equation E=mc² "Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared", expresses the fundamental concept that energy and mass are interchangeable, two forms of the same thing.
Theoretically and based on the first law of thermodynamics and Einstein's equation, the superintelligence of the creation of the universe did not come from nowhere, it always existed, exists and will exist.
According to Einstein, the universe hasn't always existed. You really need to learn the difference between matter and energy. They're interchangeable, not identical. If you can't tell the difference, then you're going to find yourself knotting your shoes with moonbeams and chucking wads of clay into your gas tank.
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