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To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 11:39 am)panpan Wrote:
(September 21, 2025 at 11:33 am)Angrboda Wrote: Assume that intelligence is a consequence of the structure of the intelligence holder rather than inherent properties of substance.  

If this is the case, then intelligent processes are the result of unintelligent forces (properties of substance);
If this is the case, the results of intelligent processes are ultimately the result of nonintelligent forces;
Therefore, if anything is the effect of an intelligence, it is a consequence of unintelligent causes;
Therefore, it is false that things that bear the hallmarks of intelligence require a cause that is intelligent.

A practical example?

The human brain's parts are not intelligent. The parts give rise to the effects of the whole, i.e. intelligence. The whole's effects are thus ultimately caused by unintelligent parts.
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#62
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 1:52 am)Astreja Wrote: Please answer this question, in one paragraph or less:  Where did this alleged creative "Intelligence" come from?

(September 21, 2025 at 8:41 am)panpan Wrote: According to the second Absolute Law of Logic, “Only Intelligence can create Intelligence.”

"The Second Absolute Law of Logic" is apparently something you came up with ex rectum. Traditionally, the "Second Law" is the Law of Contradiction (Nothing can both be and not be.) Source:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_tho...ional_laws

Quote:Which means that Life is created by something intelligent. To answer your question, I will speculate based on the law of physics, the First Law of Thermodynamics: “Energy is neither created nor destroyed. It is simply converted from one form to another.” Therefore, creative “Intelligence” existed, exists, and will exist!

"Energy" is not "Creative Intelligence." Intelligence does not just float in the air. Assertion rejected. 

Where. Did. Your. Fucking. God. Fucking. Come. From?
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#63
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 5:32 pm)Astreja Wrote: Where. Did. Your. Fucking. God. Fucking. Come. From?

Bronze-Age Canaan, though the splinching of El and Yahweh isn't truly completed until the early Iron Age.
   *Warning, this deity was not intelligently created.
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#64
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
Einstein's equation E=mc² "Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared", expresses the fundamental concept that energy and mass are interchangeable, two forms of the same thing.
Theoretically and based on the first law of thermodynamics and Einstein's equation, the superintelligence of the creation of the universe did not come from nowhere, it always existed, exists and will exist.
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#65
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
You're attributing intelligence where there is no evidence of it.
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
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#66
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
Yes matter and energy are interchangable, but where did you get the nonsense from that they are "of the same thing"?
You are very confused. Gut your physics course booked yet. A proper professor can quickly disabuse you of this crap.

By the way: which intelligence created your intelligent god, according to the second not-so-ABSOLUTE law of logic?..... I bet it was the good of special pleading, right?
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#67
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 22, 2025 at 12:45 am)Paraselene Wrote: You're attributing intelligence where there is no evidence of it.

What do you mean?
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#68
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 22, 2025 at 12:43 am)panpan Wrote: Theoretically and based on the first law of thermodynamics and Einstein's equation, the superintelligence of the creation of the universe did not come from nowhere, it always existed, exists and will exist.

Neither the First Law of Thermodynamics nor Einstein's E=mc² say anything about "the superintelligence of the creation of the universe."

Intelligence is a property of mind, which is an emergent property of the physical brain due to its organization into a complex electrochemical network. If that network is destroyed (which happens at death, when the brain essentially rots from lack of oxygen), mind disappears.

Unless they somehow organize into some sort of network with functions such as perception and memory, matter/energy cannot be intelligent.
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 22, 2025 at 2:24 am)Astreja Wrote:
(September 22, 2025 at 12:43 am)panpan Wrote: Theoretically and based on the first law of thermodynamics and Einstein's equation, the superintelligence of the creation of the universe did not come from nowhere, it always existed, exists and will exist.

Neither the First Law of Thermodynamics nor Einstein's E=mc² say anything about "the superintelligence of the creation of the universe."

Intelligence is a property of mind, which is an emergent property of the physical brain due to its organization into a complex electrochemical network. If that network is destroyed (which happens at death, when the brain essentially rots from lack of oxygen), mind disappears.

Unless they somehow organize into some sort of network with functions such as perception and memory, matter/energy cannot be intelligent.

Artificial Intelligence is a new form of intelligence! It is the result of Life, DNA > Humans > Artificial Intelligence.

Since only intelligence can create Intelligence, which is stated by the second law of logic based on the first, the intelligent person will try to find the intelligent creator of the intelligent DNA, using his logic!
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#70
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
Are you forgetting the artificial in AI?
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
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