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To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 12:36 pm)panpan Wrote: To the question does every form of energy have intelligence, the answer is as far as we know no. But life is an exception because according to the first absolute law of logic it manifests intelligence! Life is energy as it consists of atoms and subatomic particles. Also, life is created from the biological molecule DNA.

And that's because intelligence can arise from non intelligence.
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#52
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 12:36 pm)panpan Wrote:
(September 21, 2025 at 12:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If humans are made of energy, then cheeses are made of energy. Cheese doesn’t routinely display evidence of intelligence.

Boru

To the question does every form of energy have intelligence, the answer is as far as we know no. But life is an exception because according to the first absolute law of logic it manifests intelligence! Life is energy as it consists of atoms and subatomic particles. Also, life is created from the biological molecule DNA.

Yeast is alive. The plague bacillus is alive. The mould in the cheese I mentioned is alive. If life equals intelligence, then why don’t these thing show signs of it? There’s a very long list of things that are alive but do not manifest intelligence.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#53
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 9:23 am)panpan Wrote: Everything is made of energy, matter is a concentrate of energy! Light, every type of radiation, is energy at a different frequency.
Nope
Light is not energy
Matter is not energy
Energy has no frequency.
Matter is equivalent to energy. Matter can created from a very exact amount of energy, and a very exact amount of energy can be used to create matter.
You clearly are parroting silly stuff you found somewhere on the www.
You clearly have no formal education in any science, physics in particular. You are just another ignorant high school drop out christian with an inflated ego after watching too much silly stuff on YT.



(September 21, 2025 at 9:42 am)panpan Wrote: In a complex system like the universe, the first important thing is to realize that we humans are made of energy. When we realize this, then we can start looking for the complex!
Stop shitposting and get a physics course.

(September 21, 2025 at 10:05 am)panpan Wrote: Children and chalk are both just forms of energy, but they are not both intelligent!
They arent, regarding #1 and you arent either wrt #2

(September 21, 2025 at 11:32 am)panpan Wrote: The one idea about superintelligence Creator - God - 
You stated that intelligence comes from intelligence only. Which intelligence created your god?


(September 21, 2025 at 12:36 pm)panpan Wrote: To the question does every form of energy have intelligence, the answer is as far as we know no. But life is an exception because ....
Energy does not have intelligence. Its not even a thing.

Also, you havent answered my question: Is Christ 100% God?
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#54
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 10:05 am)panpan Wrote:
(September 21, 2025 at 9:47 am)Paleophyte Wrote: We have already realized that. Your explanation remains insufficient. It's as meaningful as using thermodynamics to explain the rules of hopscotch. The children and the chalk are both just forms of energy, so it should work.

If you are a conscious human cell, e.g. in the pancreas, how is it possible to know that you belong to a human?

I'm not and it isn't.

Quote:Children and chalk are both just forms of energy, but they are not both intelligent!

Bingo. You've discovered that your simple thermodynamics are insufficient.

Quote:Man as an intelligent being makes cars, airplanes and now AI.

Achievements that no deity or religion has ever accomplished. Your god can't even intelligently design religion.

Quote:The Creator - God - Nature, does not only make people who make all that they make, makes much more but as his cells what are we able to perceive?

I'm sorry, what?!? I'm sure that seemed to make sense when you wrote it, but please stop thinking with your mouth full.
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#55
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
Well, at least we have a new chew toy. Not sure how tasty it is...seems kinda blah to me.
I'm your huckleberry.
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#56
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 12:36 pm)panpan Wrote:
(September 21, 2025 at 12:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If humans are made of energy, then cheeses are made of energy. Cheese doesn’t routinely display evidence of intelligence.

Boru

To the question does every form of energy have intelligence, the answer is as far as we know no. But life is an exception because according to the first absolute law of logic it manifests intelligence! Life is energy as it consists of atoms and subatomic particles. Also, life is created from the biological molecule DNA.

You seem to be having trouble with this whole energy thing. Here's how it looks:

"Blood is magnetic because it's made of iron."

That's what it looks like when you tell us that "Life is intelligent because it's made of energy." Your statement is impressively wrong on several levels.
   - There is a lot of insensate matter that has no intelligence.
   - There is a lot of life that has no intelligence: Plants, fungi, bacteria, Republican voters
   - There are a lot of animals that have no intelligence: Barnacles, starfish, trout, snakes

And no law of thermodynamics will explain why. You need to look at the overarching rules that govern the emergent behavior rather than the base rules. Thermodynamics won't help you there any more than understanding the laws of magnetism would help you win a chess game.

The funny part is that you can keep going with that list and discover that, slowly but surely, you'll encounter progressively more intelligent creatures. Intelligence isn't some binary On/Off, True/False proposition.
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#57
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 2:20 pm)awty Wrote: Well, at least we have a new chew toy.  Not sure how tasty it is...seems kinda blah to me.

Too dense, no bounce.
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#58
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 2:28 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:
(September 21, 2025 at 2:20 pm)awty Wrote: Well, at least we have a new chew toy.  Not sure how tasty it is...seems kinda blah to me.

Too dense, no bounce.

With a pronounced aftertaste of desperation.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#59
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 2:14 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:
(September 21, 2025 at 10:05 am)panpan Wrote: If you are a conscious human cell, e.g. in the pancreas, how is it possible to know that you belong to a human?

I'm not and it isn't.

Quote:Children and chalk are both just forms of energy, but they are not both intelligent!

Bingo. You've discovered that your simple thermodynamics are insufficient.

Quote:Man as an intelligent being makes cars, airplanes and now AI.

Achievements that no deity or religion has ever accomplished. Your god can't even intelligently design religion.

Quote:The Creator - God - Nature, does not only make people who make all that they make, makes much more but as his cells what are we able to perceive?

I'm sorry, what?!? I'm sure that seemed to make sense when you wrote it, but please stop thinking with your mouth full.

(Bold mine)

Stealing that.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#60
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 21, 2025 at 12:36 pm)panpan Wrote: Also, life is created from the biological molecule DNA.

Very useful.  Natural selection explains life and intelligent life, according to you.  God has cells, according to you.  We can quickly settle whether gods exist or not.  Kindly point to the god dna.
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