More protests Against The Theocratic Regime in Iran

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17

‘Classic’ and ‘valid’ are very different things. A clue is the fact that they’re spelled differently and have different definitions.

But you do you. If you choose to drown in a puddle of spiritualistic woo, it’s nothing to do with me.

Boru

[awty]

Sigh - SSDD. Believers telling atheists what they are and why they are and how they got there. It's the song that never ends.

And this is all topped off with Leo's abiding love for Trump.

Not one word is worth the eyestrain anymore...if it ever was.

[Angrboda]

BrianSoddingBoru + Thumpalumpagus:
 
- It’s still a classic among books on spirituality. I’ve only read the first book of the series. So you may be right. There are more interesting and “to the point” books on the market anyway
 
Angrboda:
 
- These are entire systems of spiritual growth and something called conscious living. There are entire books that are written on these subjects. Yet one of these principles is to assume responsibility for your actions and for your life. I’m not saying that atheists cannot understand such principles. In many cases they understand it more than us. But that is still one form of universal spiritual principle. And that’s “Being responsible for your own life” or “”Being or acting like a grown up”.
 
/Today everyone is on the back of D. Trump because of the war he started together with Netanyahu:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/iran...53931.html
 
- I’m not saying that these people are wrong. I never said that.
 
Still: The principle I am talking about applies to nations as well. Why does a nation not act so that it and its people are not involved in such a catastrophic / destructive situation? What would King Solomon do in that situation?
 
/Vietnam was a different situation. Yet people like Kaddafi, Saddam, Bashar al Assad or the IRI they all saw it coming. Why didn’t they act on that and try to avert all of this destruction? In sum, why is the state apparatus not doing anything to keep bombs from falling on their cities? (Israel does try to minimize losses from missiles falling on its own people – Teheran doesn’t. Why is that so?)
 
- Another example is being logical. Being rational.
 
And because these things are usually easier said than done, most of us are involved in one or more of these systems of spiritual growth, just to try to get there rather sooner than later in our lifetimes.
 
But this is group 3. I’m not talking about 1 and 2.

What does taking responsibility for yourself, and being logical and rational, have to do with any supernatural aspect of the world that is different than doing so under the assumption of naturalism?

[Leonardo17]

BrianSoddingBoru:
 
- There are other books like C. Castaneda like “The Peaceful Warrior” by Dan Millman or “Mutant Message Down Under”. Fictional or non-fictional these are very interesting stories that could be read just like one would read the Harry-Potter series if you like. But some people like reading these stories again and again because of the spiritual message that they are conveying.
 
Awty:
 
- That’s not the goal here. The goal here is to say that (on a purely secular level) I agree with the legitimate ambition of Jewish nationalist to try to carve out a nation for the Jews of this world. I disagree with the messianic belief that God has given İsrael + the Israeli controlled Palestine to the Jews because they are his chosen people etc. etc.
 
/ There is a war of religion going on in the Middle-east for decades now and somebody will have to solve this issue at some point. And many are saying that D. Trump does not have a real plan for his whole operation in Iran and that he could simply walk away declaring victory over the Ayatollah’s.
 
So if bombs aren’t going to solve this issue what can?
 
My answer: A more realistic approach to spiritual issues can solve a bigger part of the issue for us. Do you think that a democratic Iran would risk conflict with the US just to be able to build weapons of mass destruction? – Of course not. The IRI is a regime of fear and it believes it needs to be feared in order to be able to exist. That’s a completely ego-oriented ego-based ideology that does not respond to feelings of compassion or even reason.
 
Angrboda:
 
- Nothing. I’m not an creationist who denies naturalism. I believe in a world that works accordingly with the principles of mathematics and physics. I believe in the scientific method too. I’m just a moderate observer of some of the “Inner Realities” that are not that “supernatural” if you look at it.
 
/ But these “explorations” are still very different from what we know as philosophy. SO this is why we call it “spirituality” or “Religion”. In Latin Religion means “to bind back”. So we are binding back our ties with this inner nature of ours.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17

- There are other books like C. Castaneda like “The Peaceful Warrior” by Dan Millman or “Mutant Message Down Under”. Fictional or non-fictional these are very interesting stories that could be read just like one would read the Harry-Potter series if you like. But some people like reading these stories again and again because of the spiritual message that they are conveying.

I support the right of people to read whatever they choose. I also reserve the right to go all judge-y about those choices.

Boru

[Leonardo17]

Only two of the Iranian soccer team players in Australia were able to resist to the Iranian governments pressure while the rest are giving up their request for asylum and are returning to Iran:
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98gz372683o
 
In 1986 we had a Bulgarian Turk called Naim Suleymanoglu who defected to us during the world cup in Brazil. The then communist Bulgarians were threatening him with is brother and it was only with the interference of the then President of Turkey that the Bulgarians left him alone and let him stay with us despite all the mistreatment directed against ethnic minorities in Bulgaria in these days:
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naim_S%C3%...no%C4%9Flu