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Yes God Exists
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Yes God Exists
Introduction:

I am not claiming to be an expert by any means and the following post is off the cuff and written without much effort. I just have ideas I'd like to share and have some discussion about them. Before any constructive discussion can be had about the existence of God, we must first unpack what it means for God to exist. Existence is defined in the Merriam-Webster dictionary as: "the state or fact of having being especially independently of human consciousness". While society's use of the word "existence" is not exclusively limited to this definition, I contend that God does exist even by this standard.

Different levels of existence:

Manifestation: God is often compared to fantasy or mythical creatures. The unicorn is often said to not exist. However, the depiction and likeness of a unicorn is an easy thing to find and you would be hard pressed to find someone living in civilized society that could not give you a fairly accurate description of what a unicorn is. The fact that I can draw a picture of a unicorn or hold one in my hand suggests that a unicorn does exist. The main argument against a unicorn's existence is referring to a physical reality relating solely to the biological manifestation of such a creature. Given the rising fascination with unicorns and the insistence on using them for purposes of storytelling, humanity is going to greater and greater lengths to make the idea of a unicorn come alive. It is only a matter of time before scientists use genetic manipulation to make a biological unicorn a reality if they haven't already. It could also be argued that unicorns were born out of an idea conceived in the human consciousness and therefore does not exist independent of human intelligence or thought, but this same argument would invalidate the existence of every man-made object which would all arguably continue to exist even if every human being died out.

Position: Many of God's titles are positions of authority or responsibility. The creation of positions is an essential part of human society to ensure cooperation and efficiency. The existence of a position such as The President of the United States is only an idea; however, this idea has a real impact on our world. A position exists regardless of who fills it and like the position of Caesar in Ancient Rome, will continue to exist far after its usefulness has expired.

As Potential: In order for us to properly navigate our reality we must be aware of potentials and how they impact the outcomes. In quantum mechanics these potentials manifest as superpositions. If you cannot conceive of a version of you that fails at something then you will arrogantly and foolishly move forward without taking the proper precautions to avoid failure. Having humility is to admit or understand that the version of you that fails actually exists and you must proceed in a manner to avoid it manifesting into our physical reality, meaning you must learn from your mistakes. Pride can fool others for a time, but eventually the price of foolish decisions comes due. In the same respect, only those that can envision a reality where they overcome impossible odds are the ones capable of such feats.

Subconscious: There are many parts of the subconscious mind that we still don't understand and much of our subconscious dictates our everyday reality. Our instincts, our primal nature, our defense mechanisms, and most or our habits and behaviors are borne out of the subconscious. These things exist on such a level that we must grapple with them and are arguably the most important challenges of our generation. Whether we describe these as mental illness, demons, malfunctions, human nature, chaos, or original sin does not negate the reality of them. 

The Existence of God:

As a Manifestation: It is often stated that humanity invented God. While it may be true that God was an idea created by humans, the idea has a real impact on our world today and depictions of God in stories and movies are common-place. While Jesus has been argued to be the biological manifestation of God, I contend that a biological manifestation was never a necessary criterion for God's existence. The impact that faith in God has on the world can be observed and even measured. And there is no doubt that a major part of religion is to prophesy, or to call forth the things they desire to be true. The purpose of faith is not about believing the obvious but about manifesting the desired. Each religion, cult, or worldview has a version of God they are trying to manifest and many attempts have been made to make it happen, Jesus being one example of that.

As a Position: Humanity has figured out through much trial and error that stable authority demands that there be one authority that is above all other authorities. Because humans are the highest level of intelligence we know of, we demand that these positions of supreme authority be filled by a human being. Every worldview, every religion, and every tradition seeks world peace. The only way we have conceived of accomplishing this is through submitting all people to one authority through conquest or cooperation. At the head of that one authority will be a position that is more powerful than all other positions. Conceivably the person that humanity would decide to put in that position is the most deserving or the best fit for the job. This future position of supreme authority over the governmental entity that controls all humans everywhere is an inevitable outcome and correlates with religious predictions. The person that fills this position can be compared to the Messiah, the Buddha, the Mahdi, the Ubermensch, the Godman, the King of Kings, etc.

As Potential: The multiverse theory suggests that alternate universes exist alongside our reality. While I agree that they exist as potentials, the difference between them and our reality is consciousness. Based on the observer effect, our consciousness is intertwined with how things manifest into our physical reality. The quantum realm existing outside of time and space correlates well to how the spiritual realm is described in ancient texts. Therefore God, and all infinite versions of God, exist in the quantum/spiritual realm as potential interacting with us attempting to manifest just one of the many possible futures that will turn God into a physical reality. Until the final details on who or what God is, God exists in superposition. As Schrodinger's cat is both dead and alive, all versions of God exist until only 1 version manifests while the other versions collapse and cease to exist.

In Our Subconscious: Academics often theorize that God is borne out of our subconscious mind and it is attached to some primal need. If this is true, then the idea of God was not conceived by humanity but rather God is something that occurs naturally.

My Personal Take:

To use Christianity as an easy example we can see a set of promises that seem on the face to be outlandish, but I will argue that it does not take faith at all to believe in them. Those promises are eternal life, God's kingdom, God on the throne, heaven,  resurrection, and perfect justice. When you look at every tradition, every empire, every religion, and every worldview they are all attempting to accomplish the same goals. To create healthcare that will keep you alive indefinitely (eternal life), create a one world authority (God's kingdom), to place a good person in the seat of power over that authority (God), to make society a utopia for all (heaven), to bring back our loved ones (resurrection), and to establish fair laws (perfect justice).

Movies, museums, statues, and hologram concerts are all ways we are resurrecting the past. With AI we are now resurrecting historical figures by creating an AI version of them. It is only a matter of time before we are able to use quantum technology to develop an objective version of past events and resurrect with perfect accuracy. Using robots or cloning technology we will eventually bring back the dead. Some people will be brought back to praise like heroes and martyrs, while others brought back to be put on trial like dictators and assassins.

Regarding the attributes of God, that is not the point of this post. However, with technology is it becoming easier and easier to conceive of these possibilities. For example if we eventually programmed Google to know everything, our ability to ask Google questions would make us all-knowing. Simplify the transaction through neural link and it is not far fetched to imagine a future human with their mind having instant access to all the knowledge that exists. The Hebrew word for God is Elohim which is a plural. Believers often think of becoming one with God and being given some sort of authority like a throne. If you see God as a human made entity like a government or corporation rather than a person, you'll better understand how God can do the things that God can do. The Lord on the other hand is the person that has supreme authority within the entity they called God and just like Trump is often conflated with America and America is spoken about like it has human qualities, we understand that America is not a person but made of persons. Trump is the person with the highest authority and what Trump says and does is as if America says and does it.

The main point is that what Christianity and all other religions promise is what all of humanity is already working toward and are just inevitable outcomes. This may seem like an exoneration of religion, but in fact it is the opposite. Religious leaders pervert their own scriptures to keep themselves in power and serve to keep the idea of God in the realm of mystery and unknown to prevent or delay the inevitable outcome. The Church serves to put off those that would attempt to understand and to prevent humanity from realizing that these manifestations are not only ours to decide but they are also our responsibility. By negating that responsibility we delay the inevitability by another generation.

Just to throw in an unrelated philosophical element to this it is often asked "What came first, the chicken or the egg?". I would contend within the egg is the potential to become a chicken and within the chicken is the potential to lay an egg. One cannot exist without the potential of the other simultaneously existing. Therefore if one exists at all, they both exist. Within humanity is the potential to hatch into God, and within God is the potential to create humanity. To ask what came first applies a chronological order to things and the obvious answer is that the egg came first, buy we all know that eggs come from chickens which creates the conundrum. I contest that the conundrum is from the inability to understand time as an experience and not a constant, which is the "outside of time and space" argument. You may say that the logical is circular, but that is the point. The end is also the beginning.

Because this can be debated at length and go off on millions of different tangents, I would ask that you refrain from going off on a long rant about your personal views and stick engaging with the ideas I have presented by giving me direct and to-the-point questions I can answer. If you have a lot to say on the matter and would like a response from me then feel free to send me a direct message. Thank you.
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#2
RE: Yes God Exists
Oh goodie. Lots of words we have never heard before. And....and....a directive of how to respond. Whoopdeefuckingdoo.
What fresh hell can this be? - Dorothy Parker
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Quote:Just to throw in an unrelated philosophical element to this it is often asked "What came first, the chicken or the egg?".

That’s not a philosophical question. Oviparity evolved between 300 and 350 MYA. Chickens evolved from red jungle fowl about 11 000 years ago.

The egg came first, and by a considerable margin.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: Yes God Exists
Your religious views are not mixed bag but windbag.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Yes God Exists
(April 24, 2026 at 3:27 pm)Unapologetics Wrote: To use Christianity as an easy example we can see a set of promises that seem on the face to be outlandish, but I will argue that it does not take faith at all to believe in them. Those promises are eternal life, God's kingdom, God on the throne, heaven,  resurrection, and perfect justice. When you look at every tradition, every empire, every religion, and every worldview they are all attempting to accomplish the same goals. To create healthcare that will keep you alive indefinitely (eternal life), create a one world authority (God's kingdom), to place a good person in the seat of power over that authority (God), to make society a utopia for all (heaven), to bring back our loved ones (resurrection), and to establish fair laws (perfect justice).

I do not see any credible evidence for gods - any gods. I believe that life after death is completely impossible. I believe that resurrection is unmitigated bullshit.

And I am completely lacking in religious faith. Furthermore, I do not value religious faith. I see it as a character flaw, and as childish wishful thinking.

It is my strongly-held opinion that not one of Christianity's goals can, or will, be fulfilled. No one will experience eternal life. No one will find themselves in a "one world authority" ruled by a benign individual. Society will always be flawed in some way, our loved ones will remain in their graves, and justice will always be something that needs to be discussed and revamped.
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RE: Yes God Exists
Yes, and that supreme being is FSM. Put some respect on Xis name.

RAmen
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

   
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Awesome. How do you deal with the fact that we know where God came from? We have the archeology, and it's pretty embarrassing. You're worshipping a syncretic splinch of El and Yahweh with a hefty dose of Ba'al thrown in for good luck. That Bronze-Aged myth was then supposed to have had a son, born of a virgin, if you can believe it, who missed the Easter long weekend once so that His Dad wouldn't throw as many of us into a volcano forever and ever. And people worship that?



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I guess I was naive to expect a modicum of sophistication on these forums rather than a bunch of fools itching to prove the stereotypes right. Nihilism is a faith structure despite nihilistic people being in denial about that fact.

My comments are based on what science is revealing about our reality not a defense of how or why people believe what they do. It is an observation of human behavior and the inevitable reality that these things will come to pass one way or another. Only those that can see America's imminent collapse coming will be able to position themselves to survive or benefit off this inevitability in the same way on those that can see that the things religious folk talk about are obvious inevitabilities that only those wise enough to see them coming will have an impact on how they come into being and have an actual say in the matter. Everyone else will just look on with shock and horror at being left out.
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RE: Yes God Exists
2 posts in an already a Christian persecution complex.

Anyway, what does America have to do with your god ideas?

May FSM unharden your heart
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

   
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