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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Quote:Religion says NOTHING ABOUT such things.
Which is why it ends up rejected. It does nothing to advance our understanding of the universe. It just makes a hole load of baseless assertions.
Quote:Funny, I'm open to any information you might bring to the table. But then I'm not professing deliberate ignorance.
If you wanted to progress beyond your naive misunderstanding don't you think that might be commendable?
Even if I had absolute knowledge of religion, you'd still say that I don't understand because I'm an atheist.
So, to end this. Believe what you wish. Whatever floats your boat.
Quote:Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
I know what I'm talking about. The question is...do you?
Quote:Except the ones you make
I made a claim did I? Please point it out...
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 8:46 pm
(This post was last modified: May 7, 2011 at 8:49 pm by Justtristo.)
You have to remember this particular god Yahweh was created in the image of men, not the other way around. As a result Yahweh has some quite nasty aspects to his personality that some humans do have and indeed some desire in have themselves, alas. As a result Yahweh is far from what a good parent should be.
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 8:49 pm
(This post was last modified: May 7, 2011 at 8:51 pm by Rev. Rye.)
(May 7, 2011 at 8:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (May 7, 2011 at 8:17 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Never underestimate people's myopia. Especially parents. Never underestimate God (...he's not flawed  )
And exterminating almost all life on Earth in a flood isn't indicative of any flaws?
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Every one of you has decided to live by some moral code. You are not guilty of anything unless you are told that you were wrong and understand it, or you knew what you did was wrong before your crime. Either way, there has to be some kind of accepted code to live by which condemns us if we fail it. To say that hell has to be some physical place waiting for us to drop in would not be fit punishment for any crime. Our guilt begins immediately if we know we are wrong. Whether you believe in god or not does not remove the act from the conscience for the misdeed. A wrongdoing is what hell is in the first place. Our pain from the memories of these acts could last forever if there is no foregiveness for the act by the one who was hurt.
The idea of a firey, dry, dead, dark,etc. place are all expressions of the many ways that guilt can torment us. Besides, if hell was physical, it would be some kind of strange place to experience anything since no-one has a body anymore to be tormented with.
The idea that torment could last forever only suggests that, without intervention, hell could last continually. God never withdraws His hand. How could He foregive you if He is getting off watching you burn.
I know that the idea of God tossing you someplace makes no sense. You also know that it doesn't make sense. Finally we agree on something.
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 9:12 pm
(This post was last modified: May 7, 2011 at 9:24 pm by reverendjeremiah.)
fr0d0..honestly man, how do you have the image "agnostic" for your sig.. I see nothing agnostic about you
(May 7, 2011 at 8:49 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: And exterminating almost all life on Earth in a flood isn't indicative of any flaws?
Oh no...hes the tyrant..he can do anything he wants. In fact me calling him a tyrant may piss him off and he may give me double eternity in hell for such a call
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 9:26 pm
(May 7, 2011 at 8:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Never overestimate that which does not exist. Never underestimate your own intelligence
(May 7, 2011 at 8:39 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Quote:Religion says NOTHING ABOUT such things.
Which is why it ends up rejected. It does nothing to advance our understanding of the universe. It just makes a hole load of baseless assertions. Rejected where it should never be suggested, YES. Religion says NOTHING about the universe and makes NO COMMENT which should advance our scientific understanding of it.
(May 7, 2011 at 8:39 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I made a claim did I? Please point it out... You just did it YET again above. You claim that science makes claims about the metaphysical. Please back that up.
(May 7, 2011 at 8:49 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: [And] exterminating almost all life on Earth in a flood isn't indicative of any flaws? You're assuming incorrectly here that I'm a YEC with a non literal literalist view.
(May 7, 2011 at 9:12 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: fr0d0..honestly man, how do you have the image "agnostic" for your sig.. I see nothing agnostic about you I don't know, and neither can anyone. What's not agnostic about that?
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 9:40 pm
(May 7, 2011 at 9:26 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (May 7, 2011 at 9:12 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: fr0d0..honestly man, how do you have the image "agnostic" for your sig.. I see nothing agnostic about you I don't know, and neither can anyone. What's not agnostic about that?
Thats just it, you are not talking like you do not know..you are talking like you know.
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Sure I know enough to state with confidence some stuff I think to be correct, and put that up for scrutiny. I'm also very confident that no one can know (about the existence of God).
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 11:24 pm
(May 7, 2011 at 9:26 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (May 7, 2011 at 8:49 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: [And] exterminating almost all life on Earth in a flood isn't indicative of any flaws? You're assuming incorrectly here that I'm a YEC with a non literal literalist view.
No. Even if you assume that the flood story is, in fact, a metaphor for God's delivering us from sin, even that still tends to presuppose that he's saving us from a situation that he made himself.
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 11:44 pm
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(May 7, 2011 at 8:25 pm)padraic Wrote: Haven't read through the entire thread,only enough to decide to leave Frodo on ignore. Apologies if my question has been covered:
FREE WILL: If I say to you "do as I say or I will hurt you" is that not coercion, the antithesis of free will?
In law contracts signed under duress are void. Actions made under duress have no moral value for the performer and are not culpable at law.
A common theist attitude has always bemused me: Obeying what they see as the will of god from fear of hell or for the reward of heaven.Such motives seem morally bankrupt to me,albeit very human---just like YHWH in fact. Not surprising, as he was invented by humans.
(May 7, 2011 at 8:14 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Fine... you better hope that Allah is fictional, because if he is real you will be in that lake of fire right next to me.
@ Padraic and Revjer - both humorous and intelligent replies. Beautiful. If I could REP bump both of you agian - I would do so. REP+1
(May 7, 2011 at 5:51 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (May 7, 2011 at 4:54 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: The fact is, you believe in it. Your god made us. Your god made hell. We don't believe in your God ... we're all going to burn in his hell.
TRUE?
This is true.
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