In general, a man with religion is better than an atheist.

[Girlysprite]

It's just my opinon that when people start to swear and calling names, they do not show strength really. I know it's just a personal thing, but as gloves come off here, I see no need to keep my opinion for myself And yes, I know that famous line...opinions are like assholes...

I made that previous post because I wondered what the goals of the replies was. Then I figured it had nothing to do with changing any minds, either of the posters or of the onlookers. It was a bundle of pitchforks and torches to chanse him away as soon as possible. So mission accomplished!

Oh and trust me, I know trolling when I see it. I may not have a postcount here, but this isn't the first atheist forum I visit. And yes, I have seen all the 'favorite topics' come by, many times. I just found that in other forums some people would engage the crazy. This would rarely change minds, but it released a great amount of useful information that greatly benefited the onlookers. Maybe some of you remember Calilasseia - he was great at that, it was always a sight to behold. He did not shy away from the occasional personal attack, but he had a lot of very good goods and tons of information to back it up.

That is why I felt like both sides lost. Our dear troll because he could not answer the actual arguments, and we because the whole argument was kind of...derailed before it reached its actual conclusion. But I know that you people don't care, because you've seen it all many times before and don't want to sit around here being insulted in your own forum. So that's understandable.

[popeyespappy]

That is why I felt like both sides lost. Our dear troll because he could not answer the actual arguments, and we because the whole argument was kind of...derailed before it reached its actual conclusion. But I know that you people don't care, because you've seen it all many times before and don't want to sit around here being insulted in your own forum. So that's understandable.

I’ve found this to be a common occurrence on many forums. The old timers have probably seen the same old shit over and over again so they jump right in with the pissy attitudes. In the meantime many of the newer members have not experienced a particular line of distorted reasoning and unfortunately don’t get to because the thread is derailed early on.

[Minimalist]

The old timers have probably seen the same old shit over and over again so they jump right in with the pissy attitudes.

Amen....



We've had a lot of shit-and-runners lately who drop in to sprinkle a little jesus dust around. It's tiresome constantly having to deal with the same silly shit.

We should have a FAQ to direct them to.

[fr0d0]

We should have a FAQ to direct them to.

Like this one you mean?

[Minimalist]

Yeah...only expanded to include basic data on evolution, Hitler being a xtian and why there was no giant fucking ark.

[fr0d0]

I'm sure your contributions would be welcomed Min. go for it. Adrian is online now.

<edit> ...hmmm... gone already. Tack is online?

[SleepingDemon]

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but there is nothing to stop an atheist.

They have morals but I feel morals are not enough. I feel that a fire whose fuel is men and stones is better at keeping people in line. You can do something that goes against your morals, and a little whiskey and wimmins should take care of the ill effects, but no amount of whiskey and wimmins is going to make you forget that you might be fuel for the fire.

Yes, but those people were thought of as heathens by the hijackers. Now if those people had the exact same religious views as Al Qaeda members, then I suspect they may have been spared. You don't hear of Al Qaeda members killing Wahabis.


Yes but I feel that right now atheists are limited by their numbers, and so have to be on their best behavior. Once they have the numbers or get the upper hand, then I am affraid people will be clamoring for the return of Amir Timur.

Also, it was just a test. Plus, had Abraham not been stopped, then the Almighty would have made it up to Abraham's son. He has limitless everything. ;0


It is true that religion has done some harm, but my point of contention is that no religion will do more harm, thus making religion the better option.


I know atheists have rules, but rules can be broken, and in such way so as to not receive any earthly punishment, in whatever form.

I feel that one could dispatch all that displease him/her without being psychotic. You can be of sound mind and still dispatch a lot of displeasians, although we have punishments, in different forms, to deter people from doing away with the displeasians, and this is sufficient to save them, but when you have absolute power, there are no earthly deterents.

Aside from what your "feelings" tell you, do you have any evidence to substantiate your claim that atheists are less obligated to follow a moral code than theists are to follow a religious moral code?

The problem with claims such as this is that there is never any measurable evidence supporting them. If you had atheist cults across the globe torturing, raping and killing believers en masse then your argument would have some credibility. You don't, however, and it is all based on what your "feelings" tell you. This doesn't set well with me. I live a moral life, not out of fear of eternal punishment, but because it is the right thing to do. Be good for the sake of being good, otherwise it's simple dishonesty, or you will find a way to cheat the punishment, like repenting. If I murdered someone today in cold blood, I would be haunted all of my life for it. No amount of apologies would remove the disgust I felt towards myself. Yet we see theists do this all of the time, throughout history they eradicated millions by allowing a few leaders to determine what constituted "heathens."

Where in history do you find atheists, despite their small numbers, commit any acts of violence towards anyone beyond the normal ranges of human conflict? You won't find it. An interesting way to debunk this nonsense you've spewed is to look at the statistics of people in prison, compared to global populations. 85% of the world's population believes in god in one form or another, the same applies for the united states, however nonbelievers make up a much smaller number in prisons. Cities with higher populations per square mile have more violent crime, but check the percentage of that population that claims no religion.

The basis for your argument is very presumptuous, you have to make several foundational assumptions to even make the argument. You'll find no evidence of atheists being less moral, no evidence of the religious being less inclined to violence, rape, incest, torture or murder. And the largest hammerstrike to this argument is the fact that throughout history, many atrocities have been committed on every continent by every culture in the name of faith and was justified by one god or another. But never in history has any population of atheists or agnostics committed such atrocities, on any scale, under the banner of nonbelief or otherwise. Your argument is bunk.

[Gawdzilla]

It's just my opinon that when people start to swear and calling names, they do not show strength really.

I guess you were never in the motherfucking Navy, were you?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

It's just my opinon that when people start to swear and calling names, they do not show strength really.

I guess you were never in the motherfucking Navy, were you?

And most certainly not in the Australian army.

Still coming across as a sanctimonious twat ain't she.

[Cinjin]

We've had a lot of shit-and-runners lately who drop in to sprinkle a little jesus dust around. It's tiresome constantly having to deal with the same silly shit.

sorry, I just choked on some of the Jesus dust.


I'm pretty sure I'm alergic