Was Muhammad a Pedophile?

[Eternity]

Without going further into the subject I'm only questioning why he would place all Muslims into this group that commit atrocities we this is clearly wrong. I'm sure there quite a lot of Muslims that believe the opposite of what I do and I agree that they would dispute that. I would be up to the debate if need be. But he should know that we are two different groups and as such should address us respectively.

To the rest of the world, you are not two separate groups. You are the same evil group worshiping the same evil god, on your knees before the same evil prophet.

I would remind you of this point I made ...

And yet since these violent stories come out in the news ALL THE FUCKING TIME, it clearly is the standard practice of Islam.

When these brutal atrocities Muslims commit stop popping up on the news every other god damn week - then and only then will I even consider debating whether or not you are any different.

So you consider me to be a murder because some Muslims commit murder? Can't see how that makes any sense. A "Few" stories telling of Muslims committing these horrible acts of crime does not equal to or mean that every Muslim commits these acts.

*Note I say a few only because when comparing the number of stories to that of the population of Muslim communities it come outs as very minuscule

[Cinjin]

When these brutal atrocities Muslims commit stop popping up on the news every other god damn week - then and only then will I even consider debating whether or not you are any different.

So you consider me to be a murder because some Muslims commit murder? Can't see how that makes any sense. A "Few" stories telling of Muslims committing these horrible acts of crime does not equal to or mean that every Muslim commits these acts.

*Note I say a few only because when comparing the number of stories to that of the population of Muslim communities it come outs as very minuscule

Sorry, next time choose a religion that doesn't endorse the killing of anything and anyone who opposes your views.

[Violet]

Thankyou! This whole "subjective/objective" thing can get way out of hand sometimes..especially when someone tries to compare something that is physically testable and repeatable (like gravity) to something that is based on faulty human feelings and emotions (morals)

"You must have objective evidence!"

"You're evidence is worthless because it is subjective!"

Hehe.... don't mind me right now... I feel odd. Like I'm laughing and desiring to tear my eyes out for writing those

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And yes, I can't believe nobody has done that yet. Do I feel shame?

... Nope

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Sorry, next time choose a religion that doesn't endorse the killing of anything and anyone who opposes your views.

The choice was made for me. As it was for them, as it is for you.

I'm a determinist, but I still love you

[Cinjin]

Eventually we all choose our own path about what we believe.

To say otherwise is to excuse your your own actions because your parents, your preacher or your upbringing is responsible.

...but feel free to believe whatever you find appealing.

[Rayaan]

Sorry, next time choose a religion that doesn't endorse the killing of anything and anyone who opposes your views.

Islam doesn't endorse the killing of anything or anyone who oppose our views.

Muhammad was tolerant of other religions as well. Wars only began when certain groups broke the peace treaties and wanted to attack the Prophet.

See this: http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/207/viewall/

If Islam and every other religion didn't exist, then yes, there may have been less killing in the world, but I think it's a different thing to say that a religion commands us to kill.

Eventually we all choose our own path about what we believe.

Correct, even though some of our beliefs are influenced by our parents as well, and thankfully I'm not that dense to not recognize this.

[Violet]

If Islam and every other religion didn't exist, then yes, there may have been less killing in the world, but I think it's a different thing to say that a religion commands us to kill.

Wrong... the killing would only have occurred without the religious smokescreen to hide it for what it was.

[fr0d0]

Islam doesn't endorse the killing of anything or anyone who oppose our views.

Hmmm - I might disagree with that... some other time maybe

But the conclusion of this discussion seems to be... there are those who want to follow their own bigoted agenda regardless of the facts. Seriously, those of us wanting to consider the question seriously can agree on what information we have and what conclusions we draw. It would be foolish of us to pay them any more heed.

[Rayaan]

Hmmm - I might disagree with that... some other time maybe

No problem, fr0d0, you can disagree with me right now and cite whatever evidence or sources that you have to support your opinion. I'm prepared for anything.

[Cinjin]

When these brutal atrocities Muslims commit stop popping up on the news every other god damn week - then and only then will I even consider debating whether or not you are any different.

So you consider me to be a murder because some Muslims commit murder? Can't see how that makes any sense. A "Few" stories telling of Muslims committing these horrible acts of crime does not equal to or mean that every Muslim commits these acts.

*Note I say a few only because when comparing the number of stories to that of the population of Muslim communities it come outs as very minuscule

Are you a murderer? Doubtful, but you're only a few degrees away and you endorse everything that that murderer believes in. If he killed just for the sake of killing, than no, you're not remotely the same, but he didn't did he ... he did it in the name of Islam. He worships Allah - you worship Allah. He follows the Quran - you follow the Quran. He defends stoning women - you defend stoning women. It goes on an on. My point was that to the rest of the world (and to me) you are the same. Thus my remark ... next time choose a religion that doesn't endorse the killing of those who oppose it's views.

And spinning the amount of atrocities Muslims commit regularly down to the term "miniscule" is laughable. If it was as miniscule as you claim, we wouldn't be able to type in the two words "peaceful Islam" into Google image search and get the millions of violent images your sack-of-shit religion offers the world.
I think both you and Rayaan are deluded if you truly believe that Islam is peaceful and that it does not condone the killing of those who oppose them. It most surely, absolutely does.

You don't want to be guilty by association? Fine, don't associate with rapists and killers hiding behind the cloak of Allah.





Frodo and Sae want to placate you, that's there business. It's real goddamn easy to support something you don't believe in when its not the real world. In reality, they wouldn't be anywhere in sight if you and your boys started throwing rocks at a woman who slept with another man's husband.

[Violet]

Frodo and Sae want to placate you, that's there business. It's real goddamn easy to support something you don't believe in when its not the real world. In reality, they wouldn't be anywhere in sight if you and your boys started throwing rocks at a woman who slept with another man's husband.

Depends... do I have a gun and backup or not?

I'm not about to jump into a crossfire of rocks, bullets, or locusts without any business being here