Signs you're a fundamentalist Christian

[Minimalist]

If I after reading material on Washington had even thought he might be a deist I would not say he was a christian.

Sure you would. Your kind always does.

You have to with the shit you profess to believe!

[RAD]

LMFAO..the founding fathers were talking all of the religious crap in front of the voters, but behind closed doors they were sending letters to each other ragging on Christianity, and religion in general..Thomas Jeffer

They ragged on Christianity, and praised Jesus himself almost to a man. You are either ignorant or purposefully leaving out a critical half of the truth.

Do you even know all the things Jefferson said about Jesus himelf? If you were even close to right, they wouldn't have publically shunned Paine for Age of Reason. Franklin told him nnot to publish it.

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."
-1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches

So there is James Madison HIMSELF calling the first Amendment "Seperation of church and state".

Which has nothing to do with anything. The question is what they thought of the Gospel itself, not corrupted Christianity. Jefferson called Christianity "stripped of the rags of the clergy," the "friendliest to liberty and the freest expansion of the human mind." Obviously you don't agree.

Madison said the world lay in darkness for wont of the light of the Gospel. Read his Memorial and Remonstrance again, assuming you have read it at all. BTW these men had to be elected to office by fundy Christians. Any clue at all why that is?

Benjamin Franklin on how he left Christianity to become a Deist ]". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."

Yeah we all know that from his AB, but he condemned Age of Reason, quoted the NT at the Constitutional convention when calling for prayer, and called the effect of Whitefield's preaching "wonderful to see." So when you simplistically call him a "deist" it shows you have no idea what a complex person he was.

"It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin's general good character and great influence should have been an unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to make others unbelievers" (Priestley's Autobiography)

He also wrote an advertisement for America, claiming there were no atheists in America. BTW Washington said an atheist could not be a patriot in his second inaugural (as I recall), a statement which is surprisingly true since America without god is not really America, and the founders' greatest fear was that America would becme godless.

Abraham Lincoln's first law partner, John T. Stuart, said of him: "He was an avowed and open infidel, and sometimes bordered on atheism. He went further against Christian beliefs and doctrines and principles than any man I have ever heard."

He might of been an "infidel," but in later life said he wanted to visit the holy land and walk in Jesus' footsteps. (Hearsay but you use it so I guess it's fine)

George Washington was private about his religious beliefs, but it was generally accepted that he was a Deist/Freemason like his fellow founding comrades.

Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself."
-Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, Feb. 1800

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Generally accepted by who? Anacrombie the deist? He never said he was a deist. These are just hearsay guesses, from Anachrombie and other biased sources.

Funny he would sign a letter to some Indian chiefs telling them specifically to "teach your children our ways and aboe all the religion of Jesus Christ."

I've read it all. You have just read what you found on skeptics.com. You would think a skeptic would read it all and the Christian would only read half of it. Maybe real skeptics become Christians. Is that possible? History is full of such converted skeptics' testimonies, and they are invariably very thoughtful people like Lewis and M Scott Peck.

[Cinjin]

If you are refering to my post then you should do as I asked rev.j., Washington was a devoted christian. If I after reading material on Washington had even thought he might be a deist I would not say he was a christian. As for Jefferson he's not a christian and Franklin probably not, none of this matters though they all supported the rights to belief and faith.

Christians love to take credit for the actions of great men. The forefathers you are referencing were known to be Deist or practice a self-made hybrid of Deism/Christianity. Whatever they were, they were clearly not fundies of the faith. In reality, who gives a shit what they believed ... they were great men regardless, but you people want to make some kind of point that our country was founded in god and should remain Christian because of it. It's an extremely biased interpolation of historical evidence. The majority of people I know are Americans and thus claim Christianity as a default. If one of them happens to do something totally historically amazing before they die - you people will be the first ones to start yelling ... "he was a christian!" "I saw him attend church." It's bull shit.

[Minimalist]

What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient allies.
-- James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments

Yeah, asshole. Madison thought the world of fucking religion!


As for Lincoln....

"Mr. Lincoln's maxim and philosophy were: 'What is to be, will be, and no prayers of ours can arrest the decree.' He never joined any Church. He was a religious man always, I think, but was not a technical Christian."
-- Mary Todd Lincoln in William Herndon's Religion of Lincoln

I think his wife probably knew him better than your unnamed sources...which like most religious horseshit is simply made up.

[Godscreated]

If you are refering to my post then you should do as I asked rev.j., Washington was a devoted christian. If I after reading material on Washington had even thought he might be a deist I would not say he was a christian. As for Jefferson he's not a christian and Franklin probably not, none of this matters though they all supported the rights to belief and faith.

Christians love to take credit for the actions of great men. The forefathers you are referencing were known to be Deist or practice a self-made hybrid of Deism/Christianity. Whatever they were, they were clearly not fundies of the faith. In reality, who gives a shit what they believed ... they were great men regardless, but you people want to make some kind of point that our country was founded in god and should remain Christian because of it. It's an extremely biased interpolation of historical evidence. The majority of people I know are Americans and thus claim Christianity as a default. If one of them happens to do something totally historically amazing before they die - you people will be the first ones to start yelling ... "he was a christian!" "I saw him attend church." It's bull shit.

I nor the christian church take credit for the accomplishments of Washington or any of the other great men who help found this christian nation. We do give praise to the christian men who stood boldly in support of our right to worship as we desire and not cave to those who would have limited our freedom of expression. It's you my freind who would destroy the reputation of men who worked all their lives to build their reputation as godly men, I for one do not believe that they, in any way, intended that as a right for anyone. I care that most of these men were christians because it did influnce the way our constitution was written and I thank God for calling them to this great task. No matter how much you desire that this country not be founded on christian principles IT WAS.

[Darwinian]

Am I reading this correctly. Do you actually believe that God personally intervened to ensure that your constitution was written in a particular fashion?

[Doubting Thomas]

No matter how much you desire that this country not be founded on christian principles IT WAS.

No! Not the dreaded caps lock of truth! OK, name the Christian principles our country was supposedly founded upon. And then explain why the First Amendment was added to prevent the government from establishing Christianity. And please explain why God and Jesus are not mentioned in any founding documents.

[Minimalist]

No matter how much you desire that this country not be founded on christian principles IT WAS.

And what were those so-called xtian principles?

(Prepare for an eruption of Mt. Asshole if he chooses to pick up the gauntlet.)

If anyone listened to xtian shitwits they would have been obeying the fucking king.

[Faith No More]

...I care that most of these men were christians because it did influnce the way our constitution was written and I thank God for calling them to this great task. No matter how much you desire that this country not be founded on christian principles IT WAS.

Is that why god allowed them to break sixth commandment when colonizing the americas? Or was that because they were only killing dirty red Indians, which can hardly be considered human anyway? If you believe that God had anything to do with the founding of this country, then he is responsible for the blood thirsty genocide of nearly an entire race. Then again, you Christians have never had a problem with that, as long as it wasn't against good, white, Christian men. So if applying the sixth commandment to only those you deem worthy of life is Christian principles, then by all means, take credit for it.

It's a cold hard fact this country was founded on the blood of the Native Americans, so god is either a racist or had nothing to do with it. Which would you prefer?

[Minimalist]

Yes, FNM. The closest thing to a biblical source for colonization is "kill the Indians and steal their land" which is what fucking 'joshua' did at 'god's' command. Except, joshua was fictional and the genocide of the Indians was all too real.