How is the Bible/Quran a "perfect book" ?

[Minimalist]

Obviously you have seen their whole act, D-P.

[Darth]

I'll simplify this for everyone. We agree that the bible is a book? If so, we agree that it is a perfect book. It is 100% book. Clearly a book. Obviously a book. Not not a book.

If we don't agree... then frankly you fail the sanity test.

... oh my Richard, you're right!

but by that logic...

I'm the perfect human! =) yah!
This logic does nothing to help me with my ego problem, the one thing that even I can't fix.

[Violet]

I'm the perfect human! =) yah!

You are indeed

I can fix your ego problem for you...

*pulls out some fuzzy handcuffs and finds a sadist*.

[Zenith]

I've read only this post (if it means anything at all).

What makes these books so "perfect" ? Does the Bible even say anything about its own interpretation ?

I don't remember about the qur'an, if it's specified or not, but the bible doesn't say "perfect". And the word "perfect" seems to be a bit different there than what we currently understand of "perfect" (one of them being the fact that in modern times we have many words with absolute value, but the absolutist views seem to have missed back then, e.g. "forever" seems to have meant for them a kind of "on and on (for a very long, indefinite period of time)", "all" many times means "as a whole" or something that is not necessarily the modern "every one and last of them", etc. so you may have things like "more perfect").

Anyway, a description of the bible (though here the Old Testament is referred) we find in 2 Timothy 3.16-17. There should be other verses but I don't remember right now and I don't have the disposition for seeking.

This is basically an eternal argument of the religious: the Bible must be the word of God because it is SO PERFECT.

"Perfect" is a very subjective word, like "beautiful" and "good": a thing cannot have by itself that value, it can only be regarded by people as such.

Without mentionning the idea of defining "perfection" and how it is often subjective when it comes to morals, how can they say that when there are so many interpretations of a book that is supposed to be "God's PERFECTLY clear book of PERFECT rules" ?

The Bible is not 'perfectly' clear, that's for sure (you need a good study of it to understand it 'better').
As about the qur'an, well, it doesn't even have a structure (sequence, a complete narration of events, etc.). And many times you can't tell when Muhammud is speaking and when Allah is speaking (but that's another issue).

There are thousands upon thousands of sects in each of these major religions that all have different interpretations of it and kill each other over what THEY think God wants.

And here I could count lots of reasons... but to be brief: a guy John comes, reads the bible (or parts of it), twists the text to accord with his own pleasure, is idolized by multitudes, so everything that that John said is regarded by his fans (or, fanatics) as "the Word of God", in such a manner, that if anyone would doubt the absolute truth of the words of John, he is regarded as a blasphemer by his comrades. that's an example, other very important thing is the cursed "traditional understanding of the issue" - here, ignoring the the 'fathers' of the religion/denomination (as the "church fathers") - idols of christians whose interpretations are regarded as "the word of God" - we have the problem with traditional ideas that have just passed from generation to generation, starting with the imagination of who knows whom (things like, "the angels have wings" (namely, bird wings), "the devils have bat wings", "the devils have brown hair and are brown... or red", "the devils have horns", "God looks like an old man with white hair and Jesus has/had red long hair", etc.). The fact is that, I'm 99% sure that if one man who has never heard of christianity or religion and no traditional stuff, and no debates on it or other stuff, and would have read the bible, he would have understood more than most christians. (and, not to forget that most christians, because they are also human beings, do not struggle too much to be open-minded, but are following their own crowd and their own leader(s); and also, many or most christians do not even read their bibles but they know what it's saying).

I just spent some time on a theist forum and protestants and catholics were basically condemning each other to Hell for small dogmatic differences like the role of Mary o.0

condemning to hell?

If the Bible/Quran is so perfect, why couldn't God make his will a tad more clear ? Most (if not all) modern Law systems are way better organized and expressed than this...not to mention fairer...

About the bible, the laws are pretty well organized in the book of the laws (the Law of Moses, which is Gen->Deut... well, Genesis is not quite a book of law so perhaps we should skip it). And for that time they were ok (I mean, I don't know anybody to have had books of laws better organized and better explained 2500+ years ago). And it seems they were pretty basic stuff, i.e. now we have our laws of state that, if they were supposed to be written 2500+ years ago, perhaps no one could have had where to write them on, what about preserving them and applying them? and there were judges that supposed to learn the laws and see the whole situation to know how to apply those laws. (I mean, usually, back then, the "laws" were like guidelines to judges, not extremely detailed things that a criminal would have skipped punishment if something was not written specifically about that particular situation)

As about the qur'an, sadly, I read only the first 3 surahs of it, so I can't tell you too much (well, I have studied about Islam and talked to muslims, but that's not too much). The big problem with the qur'an seems to be that you need to read all the traditions (hadiths) to understand better the laws (the time when the commandments were given, the historical context, whatever). And the qur'an is so frustrating when you see that there is no beginning and no end to what it's said, you can barely tell when an idea is begun and when it's finished, and gets from a subject to other as if it's talking about the same subject. Anyway, more info (and perhaps, better) may give a muslim... if that has not already happened.

[Nintentacle]

Because there are no contradictions (In the Bible).