Science without Religion is lame

[LastPoet]

Do you know what an argument from authority is?

[Violet]

Its not magic it's all compeletly natural and follows the laws of physics. Believing things you don't understand is supernatural is either a cause or a symptom of being a theist or maybe both. All I know for sure is it's correlated.

Laws of physics?

I think there is a branch of science in everything, so it could very well be, Science technology is indistinguishable from magic

And anything you don't understand how works is magic. So until you understand how something works, even if that understanding is 'false': technology is magic.

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Do you know what an argument from authority is?

I do! And I see people make them as often as I drink water

[downbeatplumb]

I do! And I see people make them as often as I drink water

Tequila girl eh.

[eric209]

Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 in the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.'

[Violet]

I do! And I see people make them as often as I drink water

Tequila girl eh.

If I exhibit symptoms of being drunk after drinking too much water or soda... how the hell could I take the real thing?

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Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 in the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.'

Einstein isn't Macchiaveli, so I have no idea why anyone gives a damn what he said on religion

[Castle]

And anything you don't understand how works is magic. So until you understand how something works, even if that understanding is 'false': technology is magic.

Castle
God, magic, is just words, I am interested in the metaphors meaning and to keep open minded to unknowns. I'm inspired to new ways of thinking; mystic ways interest me back by skeptic’s science

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Do you know what an argument from authority is?

Castle
I'm not big in arguments nor think authorities that kill people more than the criminal are healthy for us.

[downbeatplumb]

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Do you know what an argument from authority is?

Castle
I'm not big in arguments nor think authorities that kill people more than the criminal are healthy for us.

I think this means he doesnt know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

[Castle]

Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 in the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.'

I am not a fan of the Bible, I wish Christianity would shrink enough to where to people control it rather than the other way round.

As far as 85% of the World or maybe 90% that think there is God. Are you saying they are a product of human weakness?

Dose that ensure the 3% of the world who are Atheist are the strongest in this World?

Do you think the saying, I am no better or worst than the next man, comes in mind?

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[quote='LastPoet' pid='143007' dateline='1307381201']
Do you know what an argument from authority is?

Castle
I'm not big in arguments nor think authorities that kill people more than the criminal are healthy for us.

I think this means he doesnt know.


OH, I Know!
I'm just being caution of the other guys ego, Have played in a few high levels of Governments and with the greedy, and just prefer the middle grounds

[Chido-Wan Kenobi]

I don't like discussions that revolve around semantics and word games, so let's be clear about this:

1. "Magic" means - at least in my humble understanding - a collection of phenomena that DO NOT follow natural laws, like the First Law of Thermodynamics (example: the Philosopher's Stone) or the Law of Gravity (example: a flying carpet).

If you show a scene from "Avatar" playing on an Ipod Touch to an Amazon tribesman, he may easily THINK it is magic. But this is a result of the lack of sufficient knowledge. Send the same tribesman to MIT and get him a Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering (it could happen!), and he will eventually understand enough of the technology to conclude that it is not magic after all.

To summarize, if an event APPEARS to be magical but can be explained away by deep enough science, it is truly NOT magical. To be magical, that event MUST NOT be susceptible to scientific explanation, either NOW or 100,000 years in the future. If it's based on science, it can't be magical; if it is magical, it can't be based on science.

2. I don't believe that a true scientist would weaken the distinction between religion and science by messing around with the "magic vs. technology" argument. I've read direct quotations to this effect from Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawkins; I consider myself a scientist (although quite a few notches below those two), and I certainly do not feel that ANY religious belief is compatible with true science.

Unfortunately, our understanding of the Universe is still incomplete, and Theists will use this fact to conclude that as long as we don't really know everything there is to know, we might as well accept Jesus as our savior. Trembling hearts (Asimov's term) enjoy the idea that they share their ignorance with educated people.

Well, I don't think so. Science and Religion are simply orthogonal (Ms. Palin: if you're reading this, it means that their dot product is zero)

So there...

[Welsh cake]

Yes, Einstein did quote that the most incomprehensible thing about Universe is the Universe is comprehensible.

I don't care if your source is Einstein, that was still a blatantly stupid thing of him to say, and look up appeal to authority. Opinions only matter if they are informed and stand up to scrutiny.

To this day there are still many major unsolved problems in physics, but never mind the cosmos, let's just take a gander at events in human history on this planet for one minute. For example: Who was really Jack the Ripper? Or what caused the 1975 Moorgate tube crash? There are many unknowns, lacking any sufficent evidence to provide a proper explanation or account, indeed as far as we know we may never be able to answer these questions.

Perhaps the unknowns, could also be called spiritual,

No. The unexplained is just that, the unexplained. Nothing more, nothing less. Redefining it as "spiritual" accomplishes nothing because like 'supernatural' it is a meaningless word, or rather, a word so abused by the masses daily it has ceased to have any relevance in any context.

Do you think the saying, I am no better or worst than the next man, comes in mind?

No. What we're saying is just because you're irreligious doesn't make you rational.