Heaven vs. Hell vs. God's Address

[Faith No More]

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Everybody is missing the whole point.

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Jesus didn't sacrifice himself on the cross for the world. If you do the math, it seems painfully obvious that he didn't even do it for even half of the world. Not even close.

Consider this:

Jesus wasn't even on the planet till as recently as 2000 years ago. That's a lot of souls he skipped.
Add to that the billions of people who never heard of him simply because information wasn't exactly zipping around the world even 200 years ago.
Add to that the billions that were simply born to a family of Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. etc etc.
Add to that the idea that most Christians admit to and accept - predestination. god's hand picked gems.

When it comes right down to it, Jesus didn't die "to save the sins of the world" ... he died for an ultra exclusive group and if you're damn lucky you were born in the right century, in the right country, to the right family, and had god's approval symbol stamped on your soul!


Hell has got to be just SWIMMING with souls by now!

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I once heard the claim that anyone who was never introduced to the word of Jesus during their lifetime still gets into heaven. It's only us heathens that have been told of our lord and savior but still reject him that actually go to hell.

[colubridae]

Pointless conclusion based on erroneous assumption.

You gained nothing from it.

Just trying to sneak in some deism, I guess. Fail!

hmmm. Clearly you should research Deism before you make such a stupid remark. Everyone here knows my position on Heaven and Hell. As you could also see by my vote.

It's a hypothetical.

That's my point. It's a(n) hypothetical which serves to illuminate nothing. :big yawn:

It does allow you to parade deism around as if it's a valid position. It isn't. :yawn:

I didn't check the votes there was no need. It was obvious from your text.

[tackattack]

I know you don't give 2 shits about heaven or hell so why the poll? You ask the theists to let you believe/not believe what you like and be left alone, but you have polls like this. Don't we deserve the same? Do you just like to hear yourself talk, prefer disagreement, or really care about seeing the other side of things?

[Darth]

To be fair this is a thread on an all's welcome atheist forum. He's hardly knocking on the doors of the theists here.

I've made hypotheticals about stuff I don't believe, but find interesting before. (Maintaining antithiesm after being presented with proof... so becoming an antitheistic theist. Boy did THAT one backfire on me) People get worked up over hypotheticals that ask them to assume a theistic premise is true in my experience, questioning of credentials and accusations of wooism, I've learnt my lesson.

Threads point: Not everyone is saved according to bible/particular believers:
Depending on who is/isn't saved, What does this say about the:
-bible's portrayal of God?
-The believers?
and then, assuming that the believer/bible is correct, what does this say about:
-the character of God? and thus
-the followers?

Or shall a new thread be made?

[Violet]

I voted for all three because you don't know how to make a poll. wheeeeee!

I voted for all three as well.

There's gotta be more souls in hell... it can never have enough.
There are probably more souls in heaven... as that's just being reasonable.
And the pollmaker is an 'idiot' because Heaven and Hell have only the souls in them that the mind thinks they do

Okay... really I voted for all three because I felt like it. But you don't need to know that.

[Cinjin]

I know you don't give 2 shits about heaven or hell so why the poll? You ask the theists to let you believe/not believe what you like and be left alone, but you have polls like this. Don't we deserve the same? Do you just like to hear yourself talk, prefer disagreement, or really care about seeing the other side of things?

I've posed hypotheticals before Tack. Did the reality of this one hit home? Why so defensive?
If someone didn't post topics, we wouldn't have anything to discuss ... and although I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, the concept does clearly interest me.

Do I like to hear myself talk? Yes, everyone wants to be heard.
Prefer disagreement? Sometimes, yes. Not always.
Care about seeing the other side of things? Most definitely. I await your rebuttal with anxious anticipation.

[Rhizomorph13]

But wait Cinjin,

Doesn't there have to be a point before there is a rebuttal?

[Cinjin]

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Pointless conclusion based on erroneous assumption.

You gained nothing from it.

Just trying to sneak in some deism, I guess. Fail!

hmmm. Clearly you should research Deism before you make such a stupid remark. Everyone here knows my position on Heaven and Hell. As you could also see by my vote.

It's a hypothetical.

That's my point. It's a(n) hypothetical which serves to illuminate nothing. :big yawn:

It does allow you to parade deism around as if it's a valid position. It isn't. :yawn:

I didn't check the votes there was no need. It was obvious from your text.

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You do READ the thread before you post right????
Hypotheticals do indeed serve to illuminate. Only the reader can decide that however. Perhaps for you it does illuminate nothing, but that doesn't make your statement true.
The only person who has even mentioned Deism on this thread is you. I don't proselytize.
And to the last of your absurd statements: I agree, I was very obvious - how you missed that, I do not know.

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But wait Cinjin,

Doesn't there have to be a point before there is a rebuttal?

Wasn't my point that Hell is SWIMMING with souls. Yep.

[DeistPaladin]

When it comes right down to it, Jesus didn't die "to save the sins of the world" ... he died for an ultra exclusive group and if you're damn lucky you were born in the right century, in the right country, to the right family, and had god's approval symbol stamped on your soul!


Hell has got to be just SWIMMING with souls by now!

Jesus unabashedly boasts as much.

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

[Skipper]

I met an American Christian while I was travelling Germany who explained that he believed nobody has actually gone to heaven or hell as of yet and are all in a state of limbo, in purgatory. Where everyone will stay until Jesus returns and end days begins, at that point all the people in the history of the earth will then be judged and either sorted into heaven or hell.

Any substance to this? Or just another one of the billions of Christians with his own idea on how the bible should be read.