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People obsessed with religion
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RE: People obsessed with religion
(June 25, 2011 at 8:42 am)Ace Otana Wrote:


No, I don't think the comic was trying to promote religion. I mean, they wrote in it:
"More people have died in the name of religion than they have ever died of cancer. And we try to cure cancer."

Anyway, that's quite a bit of... something that bothers me (it doesn't seem to bother many other people):
1. why the hell can't they keep a fairytale off from "religion"? You know, it's like having "Alice in wonderland" with Alice picking up the bible, reading from it, and perhaps Jesus Christ appearing. Or Alice (in the wonderland) explaining to a rabbit why religion is wrong. I wonder, doesn't anybody think that if you invent a world for a fairytale, you should not have such subjects in it?

2. The other thing that bothers me, is when people talk about - or seem to refer to - crusades. I have gotten to hate any melody and any stuff related to the crusades (except pure history) - and when I say "crusades", I mean those towards middle-east. First off, everybody acts as they were diabolical wars or something (even I heard once, that both christians and muslims deeply regret those events - which are surely not so, and muslims certainly enjoy that they won those wars and imposed islam on people). And for the crusaders it wasn't a quest for God as much as it was a quest for getting rich and famous (if there was a quest for God in their minds at all). Second off, there was a good thing with those crusades: they first prevented the muslims from advancing into europe, and later attempted to stop muslims from conquering europe and converting people to islam. So the fact that we don't have the south-eastern europe filled with fanatic muslims may be due to that.

3. And the truth is that most of "religious wars" was actually political stuff (financial, etc. included), and persecuting heretics in christian countries was also political stuff: it mattered to them (to the leaders) to have all united, blindly believing and following the leaders and to get all the money and the results of the works of the peasants to fill the priests with gold, while the peasants were suffering famine. And "religion" was the best tool for that - it gave the religious leaders ultimate authority. And disunion in religion could not have been welcomed to the political interests. And the mob was being manipulated to hate (persecute, kill, etc.) whoever wanted to break free from this bondage. This is what "religion" is and was. And when I see people imposing their own views of what "religion" actually is and was, by means of fairytales , it's pretty... annoying. Besides, blaming the wiccans or the jews or the buddhists for what christians did in the middle-age is also weird.

I don't know if anybody understands what I say...

as about this you said:
Quote:I see theists put religion in films, programs, music and all that. I'm not surprised even a little.
That is also a bad thing (except interjections like "Oh my God!" - these are ok). I don't like when the subject "religion" is put in movies, paintings, comic books, etc. It also reminds me of religious things for children (kabbalah explained for children in fairytales with pictures, stories of Jesus Christ in books or booklets with images - for children, etc.) - they are... weird (or, spooky).
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#12
RE: People obsessed with religion
(June 25, 2011 at 8:42 am)Ace Otana Wrote:
(June 24, 2011 at 8:45 pm)Zenith Wrote: What opinions do you have, guys?

Meh, I see lots of it. I see theists put religion in films, programs, music and all that. I'm not surprised even a little.
Typical behaviour.
They put religion in things that have fuck all to do with religion. They just want to put their shits into everything, just to keep up the pressure on ramming their religious bullshit down our throats.
Most of the time I just ignore them.

We need to find a way to somehow do the same, see how they like it when films, programs and music mention secularism or gay rights, or rejection of religion. Of course they will say that we're attacking them and try to hide the fact that they've been playing that game for fucking decades!
Always trying to play the victim.

Like that billboard that said "Don't believe in god? You're not alone". Somehow that was offensive, yet they failed to mention how. Always trying to play victim. They don't like it when people think for themselves.

Yea religion always acts like a minority under attack by the atheists, but look where the power lies. There is no atheist city, with cops, and an army. But in Vatican City, it is ruled by a pope, complete with police, soldiers, and a $356 million annual budget. Religion controls politics. So how exactly are atheists offending them so much? They act like kids, when they don't get what they want, They throw a temper tantrum.
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Religion is like a Penis, you shouldn't whip it out in public and you shouldn't shove it down your child's throat.
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#13
RE: People obsessed with religion
We're hardwired for storytelling. Finding fiction in a work of fiction, or fact in a work of fiction isn't surprising or spooky, to me anyway.
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