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[split] Does God Exist? (Part 3 of whatever)
June 28, 2011 at 7:45 pm
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as opposed to using it in its proper place....ridding the world of witches, exercising demons, and condemning people for thought crimes?
that one was for Frodo, obviously.
And for you Statler, nice to meet you btw, I can take that onus and run with it, explain why any god you're likely to imagine cannot be real. That doesn't mean that the onus is actually on me though. This scrambling for the high ground is strange. Those that claim something exists must show that it does, that's the way it works. We don't get to change these rules because we've entered a conversation about a concept that we hold dear to our hearts. can you say the same? Can you formulate a sound argument for the existence of your god?
Could a theist be a freethinker, sure, why not, I'll be nice. Can a christian? A strong and emphatic no.
as an aside, notice that I'm not even asking for empirical proof, this is generous, I'm simply stating that to date, no credible argument for the existence of a deity has ever been proposed.
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RE: I Find It Offensive; How About You
June 28, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Ah, crap, here comes the scripture ...
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RE: I Find It Offensive; How About You
June 28, 2011 at 8:16 pm
lol, cmon, scripture isn't so bad, some of the psalms are quiet beautiful.
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RE: I Find It Offensive; How About You
June 28, 2011 at 8:19 pm
So is Paris Hilton, on the surface.
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RE: I Find It Offensive; How About You
June 28, 2011 at 8:19 pm
(June 28, 2011 at 7:45 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
It is very nice to meet you too. If you were an agnostic, I would totally agree with you, the onus would not be on you. However, as an atheist you have espoused a positive belief in the non-existence of God or gods. Therefore since we are both making positive claims, the onus is equally on both of us.
As for a credible argument that confirms God's existence, this is not really a "Does God exist" thread, so maybe that would be better suited for private messaging or a new thread, no?
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RE: I Find It Offensive; How About You
June 28, 2011 at 8:21 pm
There is no onus on the atheist to prove that god does not exist. The invisible pink unicorn works fine to explain this.
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RE: I Find It Offensive; How About You
June 28, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Sure we can start a thread if you like. I'm not sure how you wrenched a "belief" out of my statement. Was I unclear? address it in the new thread.
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RE: I Find It Offensive; How About You
June 28, 2011 at 8:27 pm
(June 28, 2011 at 8:21 pm)Epimethean Wrote: There is no onus on the atheist to prove that god does not exist. The invisible pink unicorn works fine to explain this.
Comparing atheism to the lack of belief in unicorns is absurd and I am sure you are well aware of this. Atheism is a philosophy, and gives birth to several worldviews. The onus is equally on both sides. Atheists do not like this fact because they know that it makes their position far more irrational than something like agnosticism.
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RE: I Find It Offensive; How About You
June 28, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Shirley, you are aware of the philosophical conundrum known as Russell's teapot.
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RE: I Find It Offensive; How About You
June 28, 2011 at 8:35 pm
(June 28, 2011 at 8:28 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Shirley, you are aware of the philosophical conundrum known as Russell's teapot.
Denying the existence of a celestial teapot is not analogous to denying the existence of an all powerful, all knowing, all present, eternal, personal God who makes even knowledge itself possible. I am sorry, it's an improper analogy and Russell should have known better.
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