The only rational problem with Atheism

[Darwinian]

Objects will continue to gravitate toward each other, and merge. Bigger and bigger objects will continue to vacuum up smaller objects around them. There will become fewer and fewer of ever growing mass forms, until there are only a few. One of these will be so massive, a trillion stars, it will cool and implode, and then go bang again. New universe. Shazam. Xonage bitch slaps the entire small minded community.

Wow, so all those physicists researching dark energy based on the observation that not only is the Universe expanding but at an accelerated rate ultimately causing not only galaxies & star systems but also matter itself to tear itself apart have been wasting their time all these years.

Why oh why did they not come to you first? hock:

[Spectrum]

We do not know the answer to this archaic question, and we probably never will. So let us believe that some mystical figure started it all. That way we can pretend we answered the question! Fuck logic and sanity.

[xonage]

Do you know why are galaxy is shaped like a spiral. Kinda resembles water draining down a toilet huh. Well obviously the univers of flushing down a big pile of shit.

Dark energy. Whooo theres a spooky theory. Dark energy sounds like something out of the revelations. Maybe your soul is dark energy.

Here is a question for you smart guys around here. If the universe is expanding, then what is contracting. When you blow up a baloon, your lungs contract. You cant have an expansion without a contraction somewhere else. Any takers.

[Faith No More]

Do you know why are galaxy is shaped like a spiral. Kinda resembles water draining down a toilet huh. Well obviously the univers of flushing down a big pile of shit.

Is this serious are you just shitting around?

Dark energy. Whooo theres a spooky theory. Dark energy sounds like something out of the revelations. Maybe your soul is dark energy.

I find it ironic that you will keep an open mind about the afterlife but are very quick to dismiss dark energy

Here is a question for you smart guys around here. If the universe is expanding, then what is contracting. When you blow up a baloon, your lungs contract. You cant have an expansion without a contraction somewhere else. Any takers.

What makes you think expansion has to come with a contraction?

[Epimethean]

"This question is based on the ever popular misconception that the Universe is some curved object embedded in a higher dimensional space, and that the Universe is expanding into this space. This misconception is probably fostered by the balloon analogy which shows a 2-D spherical model of the Universe expanding in a 3-D space. While it is possible to think of the Universe this way, it is not necessary, and there is nothing whatsoever that we have measured or can measure that will show us anything about the larger space. Everything that we measure is within the Universe, and we see no edge or boundary or center of expansion. Thus the Universe is not expanding into anything that we can see, and this is not a profitable thing to think about. Just as Dali's Corpus Hypercubicus is just a 2-D picture of a 3-D object that represents the surface of a 4-D cube, remember that the balloon analogy is just a 2-D picture of a 3-D situation that is supposed to help you think about a curved 3-D space, but it does not mean that there is really a 4-D space that the Universe is expanding into."

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmol...q.html#XIN

[xonage]

Do you know why are galaxy is shaped like a spiral. Kinda resembles water draining down a toilet huh. Well obviously the univers of flushing down a big pile of shit.

Is this serious are you just shitting around?

Dark energy. Whooo theres a spooky theory. Dark energy sounds like something out of the revelations. Maybe your soul is dark energy.

I find it ironic that you will keep an open mind about the afterlife but are very quick to dismiss dark energy

Here is a question for you smart guys around here. If the universe is expanding, then what is contracting. When you blow up a baloon, your lungs contract. You cant have an expansion without a contraction somewhere else. Any takers.

What makes you think expansion has to come with a contraction?

I dont dismiss dark energy. I think it makes sense. But it is kinda the "soul" of the scientific world is it not. As far as expansion, it is simple physics that something else must be contracting.

[theVOID]

You guys have no imagination and no insight. So the universe expansion is speeding up, big deal. It will slow down one day and then heres what wil happen.

Oh boy, wait for it, xonage is about to overturn physics!

Are you half wits ready: Objects will continue to gravitate toward each other, and merge.

Objects will continue to gravitate towards each other? Hmh, no objects are doing that at present, galaxies are moving away from each other, the moon is moving away from the earth, the planets away from the sun and the milky way away from the galactic centre.

Since your first premise is about as ass-backwards as possible it follows necessarily that your conclusion is flawed, but lets continue anyway, see how many more laughs we can get at your expense....

Bigger and bigger objects will continue to vacuum up smaller objects around them.

Vacuum up smaller objects? Like a Lux? Hahahahaha!

Please xonage, in all your brilliance, explain to us your definition of a vacuum in physics!

There will become fewer and fewer of ever growing mass forms, until there are only a few. One of these will be so massive, a trillion stars, it will cool and implode, and then go bang again.

Tell me, if we already know that when massive stars use all their fuel and the cores condense we get a black hole, why the flying fuck would you assume that an even bigger object is going to do the opposite and explode?

New universe. Shazam. Xonage bitch slaps the entire small minded community.

No, it's more like you're a porn star who just jizzed on his own face and now the camera crew are laughing at you!

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Do you know why are galaxy is shaped like a spiral. Kinda resembles water draining down a toilet huh. Well obviously the univers of flushing down a big pile of shit.

Or a 'sparkler' firework spinning around it's centre of gravity and ejecting matter. Go and hold one between the palm of your hands and spin it.

Dark energy. Whooo theres a spooky theory. Dark energy sounds like something out of the revelations. Maybe your soul is dark energy.

The "dark" in "dark energy", just like in "dark matter" or "dark flow", was chosen to reflect our being in the dark about it's composition and origins - We know it's energy because it does work, thus "dark energy"

Here is a question for you smart guys around here. If the universe is expanding, then what is contracting. When you blow up a baloon, your lungs contract. You cant have an expansion without a contraction somewhere else. Any takers.

Have you ever put some baking soda and vinegar in a bottle and then shook it up and placed the lid on it? You can feel and see the bottle expand. What do you propose was contracting there? Your credibility?

[xonage]

You guys have no imagination and no insight. So the universe expansion is speeding up, big deal. It will slow down one day and then heres what wil happen.

Oh boy, wait for it, xonage is about to overturn physics!

Are you half wits ready: Objects will continue to gravitate toward each other, and merge.

Objects will continue to gravitate towards each other? Hmh, no objects are doing that at present, galaxies are moving away from each other, the moon is moving away from the earth, the planets away from the sun and the milky way away from the galactic centre.

Since your first premise is about as ass-backwards as possible it follows necessarily that your conclusion is flawed, but lets continue anyway, see how many more laughs we can get at your expense....

Bigger and bigger objects will continue to vacuum up smaller objects around them.

Vacuum up smaller objects? Like a Lux? Hahahahaha!

Please xonage, in all your brilliance, explain to us your definition of a vacuum in physics!

There will become fewer and fewer of ever growing mass forms, until there are only a few. One of these will be so massive, a trillion stars, it will cool and implode, and then go bang again.

Tell me, if we already know that when massive stars use all their fuel and the cores condense we get a black hole, why the flying fuck would you assume that an even bigger object is going to do the opposite and explode?

New universe. Shazam. Xonage bitch slaps the entire small minded community.

No, it's more like you're a porn star who just jizzed on his own face and now the camera crew are laughing at you!

Take notice guys. This is how to properly break down a post....with a sense of humor. Good job there buddy.

Anyway, to help your limited mind grasp this concept, think of space like the ocean. Do you know why there is an island of trash in the pacific. It is because all objects gravitate toward on another. The only thing that can prevent objects colliding is motion. Right now the expansion is fast, so the objects are still powered by some thing stronger than gravity...momentum.

Now, if the big bang was in fact some sort of bursting of matter out into space, then that matter will speed up and then slow down. As it slows down, it will start to glob together.

If the universe is expanding at an infinitely faster rate, and is never going to slow down, then there was no big bang. Either way I am right.

[Anymouse]

As an Atheist, there is one issue for me that is a problem. Although evolution is easily provable and is clearly a reality, it does not answer the question of "how this all began in the first place." Science itself acknowledges cause and effect. Something in motion has to be set into motion. A car doesn't accelerate without you pushing the gas pedal. So what is pushing the gas pedal of life. I have heard the best argument for god as "the first cause" and everything we see now is the result of that initial action.

Is there any examples or pattern in life where something has come into existence from nothing. Then again this would raise a further question, "do we have the ability to see what caused this something to apparently come out of nothing. Any thoughts.

My understanding of the scientific method is that a scientist is comfortable with the answer "For now, we do not know." And evolution is only fact, subject to new information that may change, modify, amplify, or completely debunk the theory. While I cannot imagine such, major scientific theories have been replaced before when our understanding improves, and evolution is no exception. To accept evolution as factual to the best of our understanding now is the best way to approach that discipline. To accept it as evolution is the only way makes it dangerously close to religious dogma.

That doesn't mean no one is looking for what kicked off the football game of the Universe. Numerous hypotheses have been proposed (cyclical universe, string theory, &c.) The presumption in your statement is "how this all began in the first place." Science also acknowledges infinity. Effects preceded by causes, stretching infinitely far back in time, is not beyond the understanding of science.

It is beyond the understanding of anyone who treats "cause and effect" as a presumption for a first cause. But even those that propose a creation story as a first cause cannot answer the question "And what caused that cause?"

An infinity of the physical universe, regardless of what particular mechanism started it on its current iteration, is much simpler to propose than an outside intervention setting everything in motion. By that same law of cause-and-effect, one must then propose a cause for the intervener, or admit "we do not know." You can admit that without proposing any intervention which has no evidence.

Fnord. James.

[theVOID]

Take notice guys. This is how to properly break down a post....with a sense of humor. Good job there buddy.

Anyway, to help your limited mind grasp this concept, think of space like the ocean. Do you know why there is an island of trash in the pacific. It is because all objects gravitate toward on another. The only thing that can prevent objects colliding is motion. Right now the expansion is fast, so the objects are still powered by some thing stronger than gravity...momentum.

And all the organic material hasn't 'gravitated' towards one point why? Oh, because unlike the rubbish it is neither buoyant, as susceptible to tidal influences or easily tangled. The formation and location of this mass of rubbish is much better explained by tidal forces.

And one other thing you have completely failed to account for; The momentum of objects in flight decreases over time and distance, what we would expect to see as the result of an explosion is a deceleration of the expansion of the universe, what we actually see is the complete opposite, the expansion is accelerating despite distance and time - In order to increase the momentum of objects in motion we need to add more energy, like if the you threw a Frisbee along the path of a strong wind or "stepping on the gas" when increasing the acceleration of a car.

Now, if the big bang was in fact some sort of bursting of matter out into space, then that matter will speed up and then slow down. As it slows down, it will start to glob together.

No, it will begin travelling at it's maximum velocity and then slow down over time, it won't speed up to a point and then slow down and reverse.

If the universe is expanding at an infinitely faster rate, and is never going to slow down, then there was no big bang. Either way I am right.

You're so far from right that it would probably be easier to send you to Physics 101 than explain it to you here.

Let me ask you this; If you are so confident in your understand these aspects of cosmology why don't you express your claims in mathematical terms? After all, any physicist worth two shits knows that in order to make sure your conclusions are legitimate you must express the idea mathematically - It is impossible to be imprecise in math, unlike the vague garbage you have spewed forth.