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RE: A question about original sin.
August 2, 2011 at 8:34 pm
(August 2, 2011 at 8:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Have you ever wondered why I don't accept scripture as evidence?
Because you don't care for the truth that it claims to, you only seek what satisfies you. I can discern difference in all things even to the point of ignorance but what is true will always be true. Do you know what is true? Do you know what is important?
"Its not what your looking at that matters, its what you see." -Henry David Thoreau
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 2, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Missed the mark, widely.
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 2, 2011 at 8:38 pm
(August 2, 2011 at 8:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Missed the mark, widely.
Explain if possible simply?
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 2, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Many things about the atheists position upset me. Some scientific answers do not satisfy me. In many ways I very much wish there was something more to this world. Unfortunately, there is not. On the other hand, the vast amounts of beauty and awe one finds in the real world help to blunt that sort of disappointment.
Simple, clear?
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 2, 2011 at 8:58 pm
(August 2, 2011 at 8:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Many things about the atheists position upset me. Some scientific answers do not satisfy me. In many ways I very much wish there was something more to this world. Unfortunately, there is not. On the other hand, the vast amounts of beauty and awe one finds in the real world help to blunt that sort of disappointment.
Simple, clear?
Truthful answer, i feel the same way. But what i accept is a hope that is the beauty of human nature.
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 2, 2011 at 9:03 pm
(This post was last modified: August 2, 2011 at 9:30 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Whether or not one accepts a hope, has no bearing on whether or not that hope is false CRod. I don't like that part about reality, it might actually be the thing I least enjoy about an evidence based worldview. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether or not you agree with me. Even if we were both believers, it would still only be belief. Not true, only a belief.
By the way, all of my answers are honest, even when I'm ridiculing someone, that's what makes it funny, and not sad.
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 2, 2011 at 9:16 pm
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(August 2, 2011 at 8:34 pm)C Rod Wrote: (August 2, 2011 at 8:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Have you ever wondered why I don't accept scripture as evidence?
Because you don't care for the truth that it claims to, you only seek what satisfies you. I can discern difference in all things even to the point of ignorance but what is true will always be true. Do you know what is true? Do you know what is important?
You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible is "true". It exists. That doesn't make it true. It has to have an independent source to prove it's credibility. And since there are no autographs extant to support one scripture contained therein, besides the fact that an alleged compilation of the "Words of god" were edited and elected to be bound and contained within what was determined to be a man made "closed canon", it is simply no more and no less than a book authored by at least 40 different authors who one can believe were "inspired" by god but since god has never been proven to exist, as all religions are a matter of faith, the one certain factor in that equation remains the authors were fallible humans. And as such so too is the book they contributed to authoring over a period of many years compiled from resources such as manuscripts, scrolls and papyrus.
Thus the Bible is not an original document, it's authors are in question to say the least, it contains as what is posited as "god's breath" and yet if a perfect supreme being, a holy spirit, inspired the Bible chapter and verse it would be impossible to then contain errors, contradictions, misrepresentations and outright lies. Especially when modern science can prove the errancy contained therein. And all of this can be proven as such. Thus, it is impossible for a perfect supreme being to humans, to "write" an errant book.
The work of Professor Bart Ehrman, and other Biblical scholars, prove the authors of the gospels are not those men who's names imply each of the apostle's for which each gospel book is written, was it's author. (As another thread in this forum outlines) The gospels can even be proven to have been written decades, between as much as 50 to 70 years after the mythical Jesus ascended unto Heaven.
Most of the new testament was written by Paul who was considered the apostle to the Gentiles. And much of what he wrote in letters and accounts of what he wanted to persuade the reader to be his personal experience of Jesus, when he never met the man in the flesh but instead through a hallucination after JC rose from the dead, was written in Greek. Most Jews in 1st century did not speak Greek.
Besides that, which can all be discounted as valid by the most committed Fundy, the Bible itself isn't a credible source for the word of god. You remember, right? So says...the Bible!
Maybe a Christian can help.
"(sic)...God's Word was, is, and always shall be with God. God created all things through his Word. His Word was spoken to the patriarchs. Moses said that the Word of God was in the hearts and mouths of the people of Israel; this same Word came to the prophets. God sent his Word to earth in the human form of his Son, Jesus Christ, who preached that Word and personified it, who lived in the flesh and died on the cross and was raised to life. That same Word of God now sits on the right hand of God and speaks in the hearts of Christ's followers and will judge all things. There is no scriptural basis for the claim that the Bible is the Word of God, for the scriptures do not exalt themselves, but they testify to Christ. From time immemorial people have tried to fit God into forms that they could touch, hold, study, classify, and finally control. People are still trying to do this by clinging to the unscriptural view that the Word of God is a book." (Source: Scriptural Evidence that the WORD OF GOD is not the Bible)
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 2, 2011 at 9:21 pm
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I've also just realized it might be prudent to explain to you that I don't think that christianity is a very good example of the "beauty of human nature". I am anything but alone on this. You yourself hold to the essence of this position when thinking of pagans and "heretics", spreading false gospel. Theist and atheist alike can think of religions that are not representative of "the beauty of human nature". "The beauty of human nature" is not in itself a factual statement. At least not an objective one. It is only beautiful to us ; and not everyone believes in the beaty of human nature. In fact, some christians come to mind. We are all wicked, our very hearts condemn us. I find it difficult to believe that you don't already know this. Because these are the people advocating the idea of original sin, and you're in a thread called "a question about original sin". Lastly, of course, you are a christian, but apparently not "one of those" christians, probably because there are no "true christians".
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 3, 2011 at 12:56 am
(August 2, 2011 at 8:34 pm)C Rod Wrote: ...you only seek what satisfies you...
The Christian capability for psychogical projection never ceases to amaze me.
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 3, 2011 at 3:21 am
(August 2, 2011 at 8:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Many things about the atheists position upset me. Some scientific answers do not satisfy me. In many ways I very much wish there was something more to this world. Unfortunately, there is not. On the other hand, the vast amounts of beauty and awe one finds in the real world help to blunt that sort of disappointment.
Simple, clear? Convoluted actually.
You're such a martyr Rhythm. Yet you don't extend the courtesy to others. Perhaps that's because wise words and deeds have no impact upon you. To you the dross is what you're happily wading through, and you don't want to think yourself above it.
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