Iran nuclear program... a "new provocation"

[Ashendant]

Everything you need to know about Israel the jokes start at about 0:40

[Autumnlicious]

The "difference" between Iran and the US, up to pre-Bush years, was that America claimed to only use nuclear weaponry as a deterrant and never a first strike. That said, it elevated the US to a target in addition to any other secondary target for any nation wishing to use nuclear weapons, as their use would bring down both US and their target's wrath.

Iran, on the other hand, has made it's intention clear to destroy Israel, finances terrorist organizations and has long and provably been a poor world actor and more akin to a rogue state.

Their aims to develop nuclear technology, in light of such, is a thinly veiled attempt at developing a full scale nuclear weapon. Their frequent missile tests are quite indicative of such. Furthermore, the Iranian regimes arrest, torture and murder of their own citizens during the disputed elections shows they don't care about their own citizens.

What possible, possible humanity can anyone not affiliated with Iran expect, in light of such?

There is nothing good that can come of letting Iran near anything, let alone the destructive and dirty radiation of a nuclear warhead.

Don't any of you idiots remember what they did to their own people during the Iran-Iraq war? The Ayatollah said he would never enter into negotiations, endured such high casualties, and did a turn face.

And those casualties? Mostly youth, forced to run into automatic weapon fire as living shields. Children, women, mowed down by Iraqi troops trying to desperately push again a living wall of flesh.

They succeeded, in some cases and failed in others.

As I said, nothing good can come of Iran and nuclear technology.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Iran is a sovereign nation is it not?

Putting myself in their place; The US ,or any other country tells us we cannot have nuclear weapons because of what we might do with them. My response would be to tell the US and anyone else to go fuck itself.

Iran is just dick swinging. Their government is acutely aware that if Iran used even one nuclear weapon on any other country, Iran would not be bombed into the stone age, Iran would cease to exist.


The US has been looking for an excuse to go to war with Iran for years.An excuse will be found about the time it is finished in Afghanistan..

[Spectrum]

Iran is a sovereign nation is it not?

Putting myself in their place; The US ,or any other country tells us we cannot have nuclear weapons because of what we might do with them. My response would be to tell the US and anyone else to go fuck itself.

Iran is just dick swinging. Their government is acutely aware that if Iran used even one nuclear weapon on any other country, Iran would not be bombed into the stone age, Iran would cease to exist.


The US has been looking for an excuse to go to war with Iran for years.An excuse will be found about the time it is finished in Afghanistan..

Exactly. If they really were developing WMD's/Nukes, then why are they developing their nuclear program openly?
Also, do we have the right to disallow them the use of modern technology? Energy is a top priority in an industrialized nation (assuming that is what Iran wants).

I want to see the proof of these nuclear arsenals that the talking heads claim exist. It is easy enough to catch Iran turning this program into something sinister. It isn't as though Iran have the funding to build a monolith of a station underground solely for nuclear weapons. Even if they did, they would no longer have the resources to continue post-militaristic actions (you kind of use up your poor resources with an undetectable station). The only support of the talking heads claims that I have heard is scare tactics. I do not see a valid reason to believe Iran is planning to nuke everyone. What would that accomplish for them anyway??

I can however see them attacking Israel. I do not support Israel's narcissistic thuggery, but it would be bad for the U.S., as the U.S. would surely get involved. More debt, more resource-thinning.

Also, I am not so sure that there is only one faction within Iran. We seem to assume that all of the leaders are evil bastards who sacrifice their nation's resources to kill a few Israelites. It is perfectly possible for nationalists to overthrow the villains and initiate a campaign for the development of their country. Honestly, how reliable is our media in these matters? I rather not listen to the doomsday bullshit...

[Judas BentHer]

[Autumnlicious]

[Spectrum]

+ Proof that Iran is the devil +

If they are so dangerous, why have we not bombed their ass? You make it so simple, that it is foolery not to attack them. Are they really developing nukes? Are they not allowed modern technology?

EDIT: I find it very convenient that if news talking heads and politicians whine about Iran's supposed WMD's/Nukes (where are the photos?), then the people will support the forceful ceasing of Iran's nuclear program. Then no one can really find out if the uranium (it takes more than what they have stockpiled to nuke us or Israel by the way) was to be used for peaceful purposes. Barring Iran from development seems to be the best way to pat yourself for being a nuke-halting hero. It does not matter whether or not you are correct.

[Autumnlicious]

+ Proof that Iran is the devil +

If they are so dangerous, why have we not bombed their ass? You make it so simple, that it is foolery not to attack them. Are they really developing nukes? Are they not allowed modern technology?

EDIT: I find it very convenient that if news talking heads and politicians whine about Iran's supposed WMD's/Nukes (where are the photos?), then the people will support the forceful ceasing of Iran's nuclear program. Then no one can really find out if the uranium (it takes more than what they have stockpiled to nuke us or Israel by the way) was to be used for peaceful purposes. Barring Iran from development seems to be the best way to pat yourself for being a nuke-halting hero. It does not matter whether or not you are correct.

That is unfair and you know it. Furthermore, it makes little sense to go on the offensive given current geo-politics, as there are economic trading partners and other powers that see virtue in the current balance of power, like it made little sense to invade Iraq, except to placate the military-industrial complex.

Also, asking about the foolery of attacking them is naive, considering that under the pretenses you laid out, we should've intervened during the electoral protests.

Iraq found out the hard way that attacking them directly only coheres them together, allowing clerics to exploit base tribalism to recohere.

I am uncertain as to the best solution, but taking out hard-to-obtain resources, like nuclear researchers, from Iran's hands seems to be the viable one at the moment. In this case, depriving them of resources prolongs their work and may, just may, prolong their work long enough for their more moderate and sane elements to effect a change.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

First off, go fuck yourself.

Moros Old boy, I did not insult you personally, ,and in fact can't remember the last time I did

My opinion may be contentious,but it is not irrational and is sincere. I do not expect ad hominems from a moderator. Double standards and all that.



-and you accuse others of jingoism



I'm disappointed in you. That is all I have to say on this topic.

[Autumnlicious]

Moros Old boy, I did not insult you personally, ,and in fact can't remember the last time I did

I was reacting to the rather silly proposition of imagining yourself as a country and then telling another one to "fuck off" in human terms. I found it quite annoying, in fact, as any "virtual" entity can tell another to fuck off.

For example, Ghana can "tell" other countries to fuck off as they imprison and execute their homosexual populace.

Ergo, when I see things like that, I plainly and simply tell the idiot to "fuck off" as they're throwing only a mindless platitude that anyone and anything can justifiably state while indulging in monstrous or mundane actions.

My opinion may be contentious,but it is not irrational and is sincere. I do not expect ad hominems from a moderator. Double standards and all that.

Anyone is free to pepper in ad hominems as long as their argument can stand sans them. Mine does.

What is not ok is what a persons "argument" is purely or mostly "You're a poo-poo head." If I've placed too much of that in my posts, then I apologize.

-and you accuse others of jingoism

I have supported my accusations and attempted to emphasize the geo-political aspects and pragmatic policies as offered through statecraft. I am in no way "for America" any more than I am "for Iran" on basis of their existence. I am for, however, looking at the actions taken by each, and evaluating the standards offered through both.

The first may be lacking and criminal in an economic and political sense of conviniance, while the other willfully sacrifices their own young children to run barefoot across motherfucking minefields.

Perhaps that is lost upon you, but it certainly is not lost upon me.

All in all, no hard feelings. At least from my side, which is all I can control.