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RE: So, the UN finally admits it's Capitalism not welfare that is ending poverty!
July 26, 2011 at 2:02 pm
You know Void, I gotta take up issue with your definition of socialism.
Kelly-Moore Paints is a paint manufacturing company in the US. It is currently one of the fastest growing heavy hitters of US manufacturing, and is postulated by many to be a model for revitalizing US manufacturing.
It is also the largest employee owned business in the country.
Is that not socialist?
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RE: So, the UN finally admits it's Capitalism not welfare that is ending poverty!
July 26, 2011 at 2:11 pm
How would we maintain a system of government like this? How do you keep out the elements of "industrial interest"?
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RE: So, the UN finally admits it's Capitalism not welfare that is ending poverty!
July 26, 2011 at 2:12 pm
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(July 26, 2011 at 2:02 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: You know Void, I gotta take up issue with your definition of socialism.
Kelly-Moore Paints is a paint manufacturing company in the US. It is currently one of the fastest growing heavy hitters of US manufacturing, and is postulated by many to be a model for revitalizing US manufacturing.
It is also the largest employee owned business in the country.
Is that not socialist?
Technically yes, but that's not the type of socialism that makes him foam at the mouth.
(July 26, 2011 at 2:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: How would we maintain a system of government like this? How do you keep out the elements of "industrial interest"?
Pay the regulators enough that bribes & kickbacks would be an insult?
Find some of those "20% people" that won't steal no matter what & hire them?
Start handing out corporate death penalties for companies that try to engage in regulatory capture?
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
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RE: So, the UN finally admits it's Capitalism not welfare that is ending poverty!
July 26, 2011 at 2:21 pm
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Wait, 20%, christ almighty, my entire plan to defraud the government and provide a living for myself depends on far more willingness to engage in corruption than a mere 80%. Back to the drawing board.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: So, the UN finally admits it's Capitalism not welfare that is ending poverty!
July 26, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Bet the residents of Somalia are really celebrating this news! So good they probably will forget about starving now!
The capitalist miracle is about to save them......not!
 A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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RE: So, the UN finally admits it's Capitalism not welfare that is ending poverty!
July 26, 2011 at 2:28 pm
(July 26, 2011 at 2:12 pm)Jaysyn Wrote: Technically yes, but that's not the type of socialism that makes him foam at the mouth.
I don't care. If he is going to be hyper technical on us about Capitalism, I am going to be hyper technical on "socialism".
I'm for neither -isms. I think either -ism left alone is damaging and it takes pieces of both to construct a well functioning society.
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RE: So, the UN finally admits it's Capitalism not welfare that is ending poverty!
July 26, 2011 at 2:30 pm
I don't think I can say with certainty that I belong to either side in this one. I have pet projects and subjects that touch upon a governments place in industry, and why long lasting and heavy handed decisions that are (sometimes) wasteful can be beneficial to society as a whole. Or how government is ideally situated to provide these services.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: So, the UN finally admits it's Capitalism not welfare that is ending poverty!
July 26, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Here in the US it is capitalism that is causing poverty.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blog..._blog.html
Quote:A study by the Pew Research Center released Tuesday shows that the ecoonomic downturn has caused the wealth gaps between whites and minorities to grow wider than they have been in a quarter-century.
A New York Times story published Monday found that employers are now excluding the unemployed from their applicant pool.
Both reports are bad news. But the wealth gap findings are alarming in that they suggest that the economic downturn could have erased 25 years of progress.
Fear not, Adrian and Void....your rich pals keep getting richer.
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RE: So, the UN finally admits it's Capitalism not welfare that is ending poverty!
July 26, 2011 at 8:37 pm
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Quote:NOW please be upstanding for a rousing chorus of The Red Flag, after which I will read selected parts of "The Wretched Of The Earth" 
@ Void
Not the emoticon
That was a tongue-in cheek indicator that that my post is not to be taken too seriously,and recognition that my opinion is expressed more as a polemic than an argument. Too subtle? I was hoping to avoid your predictable Libertarian rhetoric,as I consider Liberarianism,like all pure political ideologies, to be deeply flawed.
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Quote:The Wretched of the Earth (French: Les Damnés de la Terre, first published 1961) is Frantz Fanon's most famous work, written during and regarding the Algerian struggle for independence from colonial rule. As a psychiatrist, Fanon explored the psychological effect of colonization on the psyche of a nation as well as its broader implications for building a movement for decolonization. The original title of the book is an allusion to the opening words of The Internationale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wretched_of_the_Earth
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RE: So, the UN finally admits it's Capitalism not welfare that is ending poverty!
July 26, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Quote:The Wretched of the Earth
Les Miserables!
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