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An argument against Adam and Eve
July 30, 2011 at 6:24 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2011 at 6:37 pm by Killman.)
I just thought about a certain argument that I had with my grandma and dad a few years back. The end result was them closing off their minds and ignoring me completely. Perhaps you all may see a point here.
Okay, so Adam and Eve were created in the garden of eden, all perfect and stuff. Just sitting there, then good ol' god comes along and basically says "Ya see these fuits on this tree? Yeah, don't eat those." God is commanding this to them while they have no knowledge of anything, at all. So they abide by this decree. Until OH NO! A talking snake that is supposed to be satan! Yeah, whatever. So this talking snake comes along and convinces them to defy gods demand. These two people know absolutely nothing so I bet that it wasn't that difficult. So they eat the fruit and bam! They know things now! But wait! Here comes big bad god to teach them a lesson! "I fuck thee up!" He says. (Okay, perhaps not those exact words) They are then banished from the garden of eden and here we be.
Here is the main problem with such a story. If Adam and Eve have ZERO knowledge at this point, how is it that they were supposed to know the differences between god's word and satan's word? Not only that, but why punish them if they had NO CLUE UNTIL they ate it? Absolutely no second chances? Why was the tree so important that if tampered with it will piss the almighty god off? Would YOU punish a little kid who was told to stab a person even though he/she had no knowledge of the horrible nature of that action?
This story alone destroys all credibility of that moronic book that so many people base their lives on. This may have been brought up before, but I wanted to say my take on it.
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
July 30, 2011 at 6:35 pm
lol "I fuck thee up." that made me crack up. but yeah i tried to explain this same exact reasoning to my grandma but she just ignored me.
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
July 30, 2011 at 6:38 pm
Meh, doesn't matter how unfair or cruel it seems. It also doesn't matter how idiotic the whole thing comes across as. The only important thing one needs to understand about the story of Adam and Eve, is that it didn't happen.
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
July 30, 2011 at 6:45 pm
True but you can never argue the ignorant out of believing such shit.
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
July 30, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Only the very ignorant and the very foolish can believe such things, and they are beyond help.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
July 30, 2011 at 6:52 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2011 at 6:52 pm by fr0d0.)
That's the best argument I've ever heard.
Kudos for the level of ignorance displayed there. You must be like, 10th Dan or something. Ninja's beware : intellectual coming though!
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
July 30, 2011 at 6:59 pm
(July 30, 2011 at 6:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: That's the best argument I've ever heard.
Kudos for the level of ignorance displayed there. You must be like, 10th Dan or something. Ninja's beware : intellectual coming though!
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Care to clarify?
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
July 30, 2011 at 7:17 pm
(July 30, 2011 at 6:59 pm)Killman Wrote: Care to clarify?
I wouldn't recommend asking fr0d0 for clarification  I usually 'get' him, but few others seem to 
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
July 30, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Yeah, Frodo won't clarify anything. He never has.
He'll call you ignorant then walk off. You'll get used to him, the rest of us have. 
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
July 30, 2011 at 7:23 pm
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Well if you read your source, you would find the words: "knowledge of good and evil".
Quote:15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
So God had given Adam knowledge enough to work and take care of the garden.
Preceeding that:
Quote: 26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
...we have God creating mankind in his own image, with knowledge enough to rule.
Your premise seems not to address the information you're commmenting on. "NO KNOWLEDGE AT ALL" is a fabrication of your own invention.
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