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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
October 19, 2014 at 8:54 am
(October 18, 2014 at 2:12 pm)genkaus Wrote: "In the near future, I'm sure we'll discover alien spaceships beneath the pyramids and confirm their alien origin."
"In the near future, I'm sure that the the advanced GPS imaging technology would pin-point the location of Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster."
"In the near future, I'm certain that advancement in archeology would find the remains of Noah's arc and prove the biblical flood story."
All these statements and yours have something in common - they are forms of wishful thinking that don't justify your beliefs. All the evidence we already have indicates that we have uncovered the real age of Varanasi.
Rubbish.
All the study which you refer to have uncovered the construction in place there not those who eventually where there before.
It is unlikely that in the far past (over 4000 years ago) people were using bricks or other types of solid construction in that area so if those construction were build with mud and straws it is obvious that it is difficult to find traces of them as they would have already melted and be part of the soil structure.
The study which you refer to doesn't explore the possibility that among the soil structure there may be traces of old mud and straws so until a proper study is undertaken the best thing to do is not to come to quick conclusion and to claim victory. 
Quote:"Having a connection" - a tenuous one at that - doesn't mean they go hand in hand or that they originated at the same time.
No, it doesn't mean but at the same time it could mean especially when you see the positive results.
May i know on what sort of experiences you come to your conclusion?
Do you practice yoga meditation?
If so do you think that would be possible to practice it without a sanskrit mantra and by non sitting in a lotus posture?
(October 17, 2014 at 9:56 am)Riketto Wrote: Try to be more coherent.
When i say that Shiva was there 7000 years ago you asked me for evidence.
Now you make a statement in which you say that Shiva never existed.
Can you be consistent with your arguments and give me the evidence that Shiva never existed? 
Quote:Once I see some evidence coming from you, sure.
You made the claim first and I asked for evidence first, so you'll have to give it first. After you've done so and I've examined it, I'll provide my evidence.
I am sorry but you are the one who made a statement and all statement must come up with evidence.
If you have no evidence to back up your statement you should not make such a statement.
I on the contrary i put on the table things that make sense and are connected one an other.
If you keep on refusing to come up with something that back up your statement i will have to believe that you just made it up.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
October 19, 2014 at 9:04 am
Fuck's sake - I do wish you'd give some advance warning before you post weapons-grade irony like that. I practically choked on my food again.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
October 19, 2014 at 9:39 am
(October 19, 2014 at 9:04 am)Stimbo Wrote: Fuck's sake - I do wish you'd give some advance warning before you post weapons-grade irony like that. I practically choked on my food again.
Gee, i am so sorry to hear that you almost choked on the food once again.
What would i do without a good ex-mate like you?
Please Stim take it easy eh. 
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
October 19, 2014 at 10:50 am
Just stop posting without due care and attention and we'll all be fine.
Also stop thinking of me as your ex.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
October 19, 2014 at 2:19 pm
(October 19, 2014 at 8:54 am)Riketto Wrote: Rubbish.
All the study which you refer to have uncovered the construction in place there not those who eventually where there before.
It is unlikely that in the far past (over 4000 years ago) people were using bricks or other types of solid construction in that area so if those construction were build with mud and straws it is obvious that it is difficult to find traces of them as they would have already melted and be part of the soil structure.
The study which you refer to doesn't explore the possibility that among the soil structure there may be traces of old mud and straws so until a proper study is undertaken the best thing to do is not to come to quick conclusion and to claim victory.
I didn't think you were so ignorant that you'd fail to do your due diligence and study the references provided with the link. Go and do more research and you'd find that there have been proper studies done to determine the age of the city and that is how they found artifacts from 18th century BC.
(October 19, 2014 at 8:54 am)Riketto Wrote: No, it doesn't mean but at the same time it could mean especially when you see the positive results.
May i know on what sort of experiences you come to your conclusion?
Do you practice yoga meditation?
If so do you think that would be possible to practice it without a sanskrit mantra and by non sitting in a lotus posture?
Yes, I used to practice yoga. Yes, I often did it without saying or reciting anything. And I never drew or thought of the swastika symbol during that practice.
(October 19, 2014 at 8:54 am)Riketto Wrote: I am sorry but you are the one who made a statement and all statement must come up with evidence.
If you have no evidence to back up your statement you should not make such a statement.
You made the statement before me, so you must come up with your evidence first.
(October 19, 2014 at 8:54 am)Riketto Wrote: I on the contrary i put on the table things that make sense and are connected one an other.
If you keep on refusing to come up with something that back up your statement i will have to believe that you just made it up.
Rubbish. What you put on the table were fantasies without any proof.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
October 19, 2014 at 10:58 pm
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No, even when I was young I had a nagging suspicion that I didn't believe anything that my parents were telling me. I used to look at people in church like they were insane. I even knew that santa wasnt real. For some reason when I opened my present and received exactly what I told my grandmother I wanted, I saw the possibility that my grandmother simply bought me the present to be much more likely than the possibility that santa claus not only delivered every single child on earth their presents on christmas eve, but also found time to get me the exact thing that i told my grandmother that I wanted that night. 
And yes I am comparing god to santa claus.
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It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
October 20, 2014 at 8:19 am
(October 18, 2014 at 8:33 am)Riketto Wrote: I try for the last 10 minutes to think what word is used to describe people who think in a malicious way about other people but i can't get up with the correct word.
Any suggestion? A thesaurus, for starters.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
October 20, 2014 at 8:23 am
Don't be daft - how's he going to feed it?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
October 20, 2014 at 8:46 am
(October 20, 2014 at 8:23 am)Stimbo Wrote: Don't be daft - how's he going to feed it? If he gets one that can live on bullshit, he'll be fine.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
October 20, 2014 at 10:45 am
(October 19, 2014 at 2:19 pm)genkaus Wrote: I didn't think you were so ignorant that you'd fail to do your due diligence and study the references provided with the link. Go and do more research and you'd find that there have been proper studies done to determine the age of the city and that is how they found artifacts from 18th century BC.
Exactly as i said.
These researchers were looking for artifacts or other solid things.
One day just go in India (away from the big cities) so you can see how many houses and small temples are even today build with mud and straws.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=india...d=0CCcQ7Ak
In some places they even use caw manure mixed with mud.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=india...d=0CDwQ7Ak
How do you think these types of construction would last?
Get real man. 
Quote:Yes, I used to practice yoga. Yes, I often did it without saying or reciting anything. And I never drew or thought of the swastika symbol during that practice.
That is not yoga.
Don't be ridiculous Gen.
I have seen people trying to do yoga on a surfboard and i have seen people trying to do yoga looking at the flame of a candle.
I have seen sadhus practicing some sort of yoga after smoking grass.
All this garbage has absolutely nothing to do with yoga so stop pretending Gen.
Quote:You made the statement before me, so you must come up with your evidence first.
Together with the statement i put connections on the table that make sense while you put absolutely nothing.
You know what happen in this case Gen.
You made it up.
Quote:Rubbish. What you put on the table were fantasies without any proof.
It is well known that the sanskrit is the older language dating back thousand of years.
It is well known that yoga has been practicing for thousand of years.
It is well known that the swastika is a sign of spiritual victory and goes back in time.
It is well known that Shiva has been worship for thousand of years.
Again these are not fantasies while your statement that Shiva never existed is pure fantasy.
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