Hello.....I have a little problem

[Minimalist]

Least of anyone's worries is that shit being true.

[Tim the plumber]

"Who exactly gets to decide what is 'reason' and 'decent thinking'? You? Me? If it was me,you'd be among the first to go."

Why?

What have I done? All I said was that itg would be good to build Utopia. To explain a bit more, I think we will never get there but every step in that direction is a good thing. Or don't do the step.

You seem to be extreemly angry.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

What have I done? All I said was that itg would be good to build Utopia

For a start "Utopia" is a non existent place by definition. The notion that if we just do X Y or Z things will be perfect is called magical thinking. More a cause for head shaking at your naivete rather than anger.

I admit I was peeved by the terms "enemies of reason" and "decent thinking" both terms commonly used in dictatorships and by dogmatic believers.

So far I have yet to meet a human being capable of consistent reason or logical thinking. To make sweeping claims about large numbers of people because of the way they think or what they believe is called 'bigotry" and very unattractive..

Not sure what you mean by "decent thinking". The implication is that it means people who think like you,another form of bigotry.


Yup,you'd be among the first to go to a reeducation camp..

[Statler Waldorf]

Try to think about this clearly. Think about the word "worldview." Think about the connotations that has. Now, hopefully you have come to the conclusion that "world" means just about everything around us, not one silly, rather insignificant thing. Are you still with me? If so, click on this link http://www.thefreedictionary.com/worldview and really let the definition of worldview sink in for you. If you haven't figured out yet that a single fucking disbelief does not constitute a worldview, your prejudices have rendered attempts of debate with you pointless. You are hopelessly deluded to the point where reality has ceased to matter. Now, if you have realized the error of your perception, I applaud you. Being an atheist, I can tell you that it makes up a very small portion of my worldview. It doesn't dictate a single thing I do in my life. It only dictates a few things I don't do -- such as go to church and pray.

I honestly can’t be too hard on you here since your errors are more of a result of an underlying philosophical ignorance than dishonesty, but a worldview certainly can be based off of just one disbelief, particularly when that disbelief greatly impacts your views on existence, evidence, epistemology, and purpose (as atheism certainly does). Solipsism is both a philosophy and a worldview and it is simply the disbelief in the existence of anything other than one’s own mind. Just because you adhere to a worldview that cannot be intellectually defended is no justification for your complete ignorance of philosophical terms. G’day.

Well , in my country, it's guaranteed by our constitution.We enjoy the legal rights of 'freedom of religion' and 'freedom of conscience'. Hence one person does not have the right to insist another share his values or beliefs about anything. The law may(and does) prohibit many behaviours, such as blowing up abortion clinics and murdering its doctors

This fails for two reasons. First, before your constitution was written it was completely fine to impose your beliefs on others? Some countries don’t have constitutions that protect freedoms; in these countries is it therefore acceptable for people to impose their beliefs on others? Secondly, so if someone believed that they were morally justified in bombing clinics you’d be imposing your moral beliefs on them by telling them they can’t; again it is a self refuting position and I am a bit surprised you adhere to it.

Your claim about science is nonsense. Based on available evidence the scientific (and legal) consensus) in my country is that a foetus becomes a human being when it is viable ex utero,not before. I guess things are different in your country. I don't care,I'm just grateful you can't impose your personal superstitions on me or my community. Nothing more to say to you on this issue. We may need to agree to differ.

Your scientifically ignorant opinions don’t change the scientific facts here. By definition an organism becomes a living human being once it demonstrates the necessary functions of life and has a fully functional human genome. This is all present at the moment of conception. Given your fallacious reasoning about viability a person would cease to be human once they were put on a respirator which is a position nobody would hold to. Choosing any other point in time other than conception is completely arbitrary and therefore irrational. I love how you guys all like to run from the discussion only after you think you have gotten the last word, you’ll be back.

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Here's a more in-depth exploration of

1. The overall perspective from which one sees and interprets the world.
This phrasing implies that a worldview is a massive collection of beliefs and ideologies that one has accumulated throughout one's lifetime that have made one person think and live the way he does. Atheism is, contrary to whatever your preacher told you, is defined by exactly one belief: there is no reason to believe that there is a God. On its own, atheism is woefully incomplete and needs other ideologies to help to create a worldview.

2. A collection of beliefs about life and the universe held by an individual or a group.
Once again, Atheism is defined by exactly one belief, and it is a negative belief (namely, that one does not believe in something): That there is no reason to believe in God. One belief is not a collection. I'm reminded of a bit from Father Ted:

Dougal: Ted, have you seen my record collection?
Ted: Record collection?
Dougal: Yeah!
...
Dougal: Here it is. (he picks up a single 45 RPM record)
Ted: Dougal, you need more than one record to have a collection. What you have is a record.

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Hey Rev,

I can see what you are getting at here, but I just don’t think it holds water. As I pointed out earlier Solipsism is considered a worldview and it is based off of only one belief, my mind is all that I can prove exists. Christian Theism is considered a worldview but it is only based off of one belief, the Triune God of Scripture exists. If the one belief is so monumental that it affects the way the individual views reality (not believing in a deity or deities certainly does do that) it is certainly a worldview. There are differing schools of thought within atheism of course, but there are certainly different schools of thought within Christian Theism as well.

[The Grand Nudger]

Excellent Statler, if all necessary functions of life are present at the moment of conception we can do away with mothers. What need would there be fore gestation. Lets just let the little guys loose right? Your analogy to a respirator is absurd, and easily the most ridiculous thing I think I've ever seen from you. That's impressive.

[Statler Waldorf]

Excellent Statler, if all necessary functions of life are present at the moment of conception we can do away with mothers. What need would there be fore gestation. Lets just let the little guys loose right? Your analogy to a respirator is absurd, and easily the most ignorant thing I think I've ever seen from you. That's impressive.

You must not know what the necessary functions of life are, you should Wiki it.

[The Grand Nudger]

You could at least be honest and admit that your idea of the requirements for life begin and end with a soul.

[Statler Waldorf]

You could at least be honest and admit that your idea of the requirements for life begin and end with a soul.

Wrong again, I assure you that dogs are alive, and I assure you that dogs do not have a soul.

[The Grand Nudger]

Care to substantiate that claim?

[frankiej]

I assure you that dogs do not have a soul.

I really don't understand what kind of thought go through ones head to say such a thing, with such confidence.