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RE: Baptising children, right or wrong?
March 29, 2009 at 2:55 pm
(March 29, 2009 at 7:23 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: (March 28, 2009 at 7:47 pm)bozo Wrote: If it's not a violation, is it not indoctrination
At the risk of being opinionated I would say that if that's true and I was (as I believe I was) indoctrinated then I was violated ... I don't have a problem with that view as I tend to believe that religious indoctrination is psychological abuse (psychological child abuse in my case since it was done to me as a child but I may be going too far there).
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Ahh...an opinion to agree with. Violation/indoctrination, both undesireable.
 A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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RE: Baptising children, right or wrong?
March 30, 2009 at 6:41 am
(March 29, 2009 at 10:19 am)Demonaura Wrote: I generally hold telling a child what they beleive in terms of religion and such as improper, I don't know about abuse because it is not universally a bad thing, only bad by my definition. I see reality as worth fighting for but, a society where ignorance is bliss (religion) is not a crime.
I suppose it becomes a crime when people who have been indoctrinated as kids blow up buildings.
Sorry, but just had to take it to the extreme. If it's wrong and it has more negative effect than positive, then something needs to be done about it. However, is there any evidence which suggests baptism has a lasting influence on a kid? I honestly don't think so, because the kid is generally too young to really understand what it's all about, and even when they're older, it would often still seem silly. So I think there are much worse forms of indoctrination that we need to be careful of.
I reckon baptism just doesn't have it in him to make people do what he wants. Now the threat of hell... Or the promise of 72 virgins...
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RE: Baptising children, right or wrong?
March 30, 2009 at 10:45 am
For the sake of argument I intentionally ignored other things religion teaches, focusing only on the ceremony of baptisim as that is the question asked.
Baptisim is simply bringing your child into your religion formally, My parents could wave a feather over my head and say that I am not a member of the raven tribe and it's the same thing. If that was all there was to it (perhaps the raven tribe was simply my home tribe and we did this to welcome new children) then theres no real problem. Baptisim however causes people to treat you differently, the church benefits from you in some places and people in other religions suddenly recognise you as a target.
On a side note, I don't think I'd mind being a member of a tribe associated with the raven, ravens are cool.
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RE: Baptising children, right or wrong?
April 2, 2009 at 7:54 am
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(March 30, 2009 at 10:45 am)Demonaura Wrote: For the sake of argument I intentionally ignored other things religion teaches, focusing only on the ceremony of baptisim as that is the question asked.
Baptisim is simply bringing your child into your religion formally, My parents could wave a feather over my head and say that I am not a member of the raven tribe and it's the same thing. If that was all there was to it (perhaps the raven tribe was simply my home tribe and we did this to welcome new children) then theres no real problem. Baptisim however causes people to treat you differently, the church benefits from you in some places and people in other religions suddenly recognise you as a target.
On a side note, I don't think I'd mind being a member of a tribe associated with the raven, ravens are cool.
Yeah, ravens are cool. But I like "minipigs" better. I would name one as "Piggy" or just "The Pig". But I wouldn't baptise it, just name it. But I could perhaps make it a member of the raven tribe! 
Just something I needed to point out. You meant "(...)that I am a member of the raven tribe(...)" and not "(...)that I am not a member of the raven tribe(...)" right? 
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RE: Baptising children, right or wrong?
April 2, 2009 at 10:10 am
Oops, I must have been thinking about something else while I was typing, you are correct.
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RE: Baptising children, right or wrong?
April 3, 2009 at 7:49 am
(April 2, 2009 at 10:10 am)Demonaura Wrote: Oops, I must have been thinking about something else while I was typing, you are correct.
No worries, you're canadian. You don't know any better
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RE: Baptising children, right or wrong?
April 3, 2009 at 1:27 pm
*throws a beaver at Giff*
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