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RE: Science can prove a god must exist
September 30, 2011 at 7:25 am
Quote:some sort of act of supernatural effect CAUSED matter to come into existence at some point
The correct answer to the question (where did it all come from) is - 'I don't know'.
All that wall of text amounts to nothing. No value or explanatory power.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist
September 30, 2011 at 7:27 am
(September 30, 2011 at 7:23 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Does it go something like this??
Zaki Aminu/ Aminu Zaki / etc from Nigeria Wrote:Atheists – ALL atheists HAVE TO avoid the application of the strict rules of logic and the demands of facts in ALL their arguments to appear even minimally credible. After all what is Atheism arguing for but the absurdity that EFFECTS can manifest – WITHOUT CAUSES! All you have to do is wait long enough! Or, in a different version, they think that the ridiculous of “cyclic causation” – such as Hawking’s idea of a universe which “creates itself from nothing” is a viable explanation for how things fundamentally come to be and continue to exist.
These are such absurd and utterly dense ideas that only the most strenuous efforts at mental contortion-ism and gymnastics can succeed in disguising – at least partially – their utter vacuity as a logical premises. Unless it is intellectual and moral depravity that leads one to believe such notions make eminent sense.
Atheism is defeated – and EASILY defeated with simple commonsense! Insist on commonsense in ANY debate with atheists and you will EASILY put them to the sword intellectually. Concede even the slightest ground to them – such as like tolerating the idiotic concept of “Chance” as a genuine causal agent and you will have them buzzing incessantly around you like invisible and invulnerable mosquitoes.
Comment by Zaki Aminu — April 30, 2011 @ 4:11 am
Hahahahahahahahahahahah! I see you've been looking me up on the net! Hahahahahahahahahahah! Minus a few typos that's a good post, isn't it?
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist
September 30, 2011 at 7:28 am
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2011 at 7:29 am by KichigaiNeko.)
(September 30, 2011 at 7:21 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote:
I've quoted it - from the dictionary. Unlike you and your friends, I refrain from making up my own definitions of words. Here it is again:
Definition of WICKED
1 : morally very bad : evil.....etc.
Why do you need a definition from me anyway?
Because Wicked from the original Old English Wicca = wise
Don't you know ANYTHING?
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist
September 30, 2011 at 7:29 am
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2011 at 7:30 am by Zaki Aminu.)
(September 30, 2011 at 7:25 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Quote:some sort of act of supernatural effect CAUSED matter to come into existence at some point
The correct answer to the question (where did it all come from) is - 'I don't know'.
All that wall of text amounts to nothing. No value or explanatory power.
What does "supernatural" actually mean? It's not a word a find very useful for anything.
(September 30, 2011 at 7:28 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (September 30, 2011 at 7:21 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote:
I've quoted it - from the dictionary. Unlike you and your friends, I refrain from making up my own definitions of words. Here it is again:
Definition of WICKED
1 : morally very bad : evil.....etc.
Why do you need a definition from me anyway?
Because Wicked from the original Old English Wicca = wise
Don't you know ANYTHING?
Right. And what is it in the NEW Englsih? That's what counts.
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist
September 30, 2011 at 7:32 am
(September 30, 2011 at 7:29 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote: Right. And what is it in the NEW Englsih? That's what counts.
Which is WHY I am asking YOU
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist
September 30, 2011 at 7:35 am
(September 30, 2011 at 7:27 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote: (September 30, 2011 at 7:23 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Does it go something like this??
Zaki Aminu/ Aminu Zaki / etc from Nigeria Wrote:Atheists – ALL atheists HAVE TO avoid the application of the strict rules of logic and the demands of facts in ALL their arguments to appear even minimally credible. After all what is Atheism arguing for but the absurdity that EFFECTS can manifest – WITHOUT CAUSES! All you have to do is wait long enough! Or, in a different version, they think that the ridiculous of “cyclic causation” – such as Hawking’s idea of a universe which “creates itself from nothing” is a viable explanation for how things fundamentally come to be and continue to exist.
These are such absurd and utterly dense ideas that only the most strenuous efforts at mental contortion-ism and gymnastics can succeed in disguising – at least partially – their utter vacuity as a logical premises. Unless it is intellectual and moral depravity that leads one to believe such notions make eminent sense.
Atheism is defeated – and EASILY defeated with simple commonsense! Insist on commonsense in ANY debate with atheists and you will EASILY put them to the sword intellectually. Concede even the slightest ground to them – such as like tolerating the idiotic concept of “Chance” as a genuine causal agent and you will have them buzzing incessantly around you like invisible and invulnerable mosquitoes.
Comment by Zaki Aminu — April 30, 2011 @ 4:11 am
Hahahahahahahahahahahah! I see you've been looking me up on the net! Hahahahahahahahahahah! Minus a few typos that's a good post, isn't it?
Are you claiming Chance ISN'T a valid causal agent????
Flip a coin a hundred times and tell me it isn't random chance determining the outcome every single time.
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist
September 30, 2011 at 7:35 am
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2011 at 7:41 am by Ace Otana.)
(September 30, 2011 at 7:21 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote: Definition of WICKED
1 : morally very bad : evil.....etc.
Why do you need a definition from me anyway?
An atheist is simply one who is without belief in god or gods existence.
If I am wicked or immoral in some way, please demonstrate it.
I've never committed a single crime. So I would love for you to back up your assertion.
Also I think it says somewhere in the babble "Judge and you'll be judged, condemn and you will be condemned".
So stop prejudging people you hell bound demon!
(September 30, 2011 at 7:29 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote: What does "supernatural" actually mean? It's not a word a find very useful for anything.
I think it simply means something outside of nature, not detectable. Complete nonsense either way.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist
September 30, 2011 at 7:44 am
(September 30, 2011 at 7:35 am)Ace Otana Wrote: (September 30, 2011 at 7:21 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote: Definition of WICKED
1 : morally very bad : evil.....etc.
Why do you need a definition from me anyway?
An atheist is simply one who is without belief in god or gods existence.
If I am wicked or immoral in some way, please demonstrate it.
I've never committed a single crime. So I would love for you to back up your assertion.
I believe the dictionary indicated this is an archaic meaning of the word "atheism". However, it is also true to say that those who reject the existence of Ultimate Reality and therefore also objective morality can have NOTHING good about them. Even when they appear to do good, it is never by their design - since they reject the existence of objective goodness, and therefore can neither understand nor do it.
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist
September 30, 2011 at 7:48 am
(September 30, 2011 at 7:44 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote: I believe the dictionary indicated this is an archaic meaning of the word "atheism". However, it is also true to say that those who reject the existence of Ultimate Reality and therefore also objective morality can have NOTHING good about them. Even when they appear to do good, it is never by their design - since they reject the existence of objective goodness, and therefore can neither understand nor do it.
And yet here I am just as moral as the next guy. Why is that? My dad is an atheist, he's never done wrong, he even gave blood. Obviously someone has got it wrong. We are not evil, or wicked, and you have no right to go around accusing people of being evil for simply lacking certain beliefs. Shame on you. Would you like it if I accused you of molesting children? For simply believing in something I don't?
Out of the two of us, only you are guilty of accusing people of being evil and wicked. I've accused no one of anything. So who do you think is in the wrong here?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist
September 30, 2011 at 7:48 am
(September 30, 2011 at 7:35 am)Ace Otana Wrote: (September 30, 2011 at 7:21 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote: Definition of WICKED
1 : morally very bad : evil.....etc.
Why do you need a definition from me anyway?
An atheist is simply one who is without belief in god or gods existence.
If I am wicked or immoral in some way, please demonstrate it.
I've never committed a single crime. So I would love for you to back up your assertion.
Also I think it says somewhere in the babble "Judge and you'll be judged, condemn and you will be condemned".
So stop prejudging people you hell bound demon!
(September 30, 2011 at 7:29 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote: What does "supernatural" actually mean? It's not a word a find very useful for anything.
I think it simply means something outside of nature, not detectable. Complete nonsense either way.
Well the Original State and Source of all else in Nature - Ultimate Reality - cannot be outside of Nature. On the contrary, It must be the MOST NATURAL thing possible! Whether it is detectable by some or not is a different issue. The blind cannot detect light - but it still exists.
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