Libertarian left and right

[reverendjeremiah]

Yes, I'm a nationalist, but I do not really see me supporting the ideals of Mussolini or Hitler, as they are certainly not applicable to our modern times, nor to our people in any way. Turkism frees herself and her followers from such labels, right, left, statist, papist etc.

Translation: The glorious propaganda. Of course we dont have ANYTHING to do with actual definitions of things. It's called double think. You say one thing and mean the other. Yet hold both conflicting definitions in your head as BOTH true.

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- - - this is when you accuse me of playing propaganda... come on... Im waiting....

[5thHorseman]

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This is where the graph brought me.

Quite shocked, I had you marked as Fascist Nationalist.

Depends on how you define "fascist nationalist".
What statements of mine really made you think that I could be a fascist nationalist?

Probably when I did a poll with lots of choices you chose fascist, kinda gives it away.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Yes, I'm a nationalist, but I do not really see me supporting the ideals of Mussolini or Hitler, as they are certainly not applicable to our modern times, nor to our people in any way. Turkism frees herself and her followers from such labels, right, left, statist, papist etc.

Translation: The glorious propaganda. Of course we dont have ANYTHING to do with actual definitions of things. It's called double think. You say one thing and mean the other. Yet hold both conflicting definitions in your head as BOTH true.

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- - - this is when you accuse me of playing propaganda... come on... Im waiting....

And what exactly do you know?
Have you ever read a book from Nihal Atsız?
Ever a poem of Ziya Gökalp?
No. So how do you come to accuse me of propaganda, by the way, is unnecessary, since you are not the people that I'm supposed to tell these, as you're N/A according to my ideology.

[5thHorseman]

I only say you're a fascist because when I started a poll on what everyone relates to, you voted Fascist.

BTW, if anyone is interested in knowing what life is like in an Left Anarchic society, look at Catalonia in 1937-39?

For a nice impartial view at it, read Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell, absolutely wonderful book and he (i'm not quite finished) says 'it sounds good in theory, and it works pretty well too.'

And he wasn't a gullible fool.

[reverendjeremiah]

"Turkism"?

Sounds like "Shit-ism" to me.

There is nothing special about your race just like there is nothing special about mine, and if you dwell on it then there must not be much else about you. Ethnologists whatever, I find you to be a racist son of a bitch..talking shit about white women, calling them sluts, and then banging your chest over being a Turk, as if Turkish women cant be sluts as well.

Here's to hoping that your kind (racists) die off during my generation so that we can have peace on this beautiful Earth.

Now kindly suck a fart out of a pigs asshole and then fuck off forever you scum of the Earth. You will not be missed, and only spoken about as an example of how NOT to act in society.

..and 5th horseman, Mehmet doesnt give a shit about facts. All he cares about is claiming racial superiority and the right of tyrants to rule through genetic lineage. Havent you been paying attention to him? If you arent Turkish genetically then you are a second class citizen to him.

in other words...he's a schmuck

[reverendjeremiah]

Oh, P.S. 5th horseman, I rated you up for your participation on this thread, and how much i enjoy reading your posts.

Always a pleasure to chat with you.

Not many people know of catalonia's anarcho-syndicate revolution of the late 30's either...and George Orwell has always been my favorite. In fact, the only book that I EVER read that actually made the hair stand on the back of my neck was 1984.

Can you believe that Wikipedia lists Orwell as a "Conservative leader and thinker" ... http://www.conservapedia.com/Orwell ...talk about revisionism. Something Orwell dispised. Orwell NEVER criticized socialism in any of his major books. He criticized authoritarianism, the very cornerstone of conservative thought.

George Orwell, whose real name was Eric Arthur Blair (June 25, 1903 - January 21, 1950), was a leading and open-minded English writer, essayist and journalist who became critical of his ideological allies on the left. He hated imperialism[1] and grew increasingly conservative while maintaining his good standing among democratic socialists, which allowed him to continue his columns and while cleverly introducing them to conservative insights.[2] The tension between the conservative Orwell grew to become, and the democratic socialist he still allowed others to view him as, may account for some of his interesting word inventions like "doublethink".

The inspiration for Orwell's growth into conservatism remains unexplored. Likely reasons include his open-mindedness, his adopting and then raising (due to his wife's untimely death) a child, and his disillusionment with leftists while fighting on their side in Spain.

Which is a flat out lie, as Orwell obviously dispise people such as these.

[Jackalope]

Can you believe that Wikipedia lists Orwell as a "Conservative leader and thinker"

You meant Conservapedia, of course. You're surprised that Conservapedia is just making shit up to suit their agenda?

[5thHorseman]

Thanks Rev, always a pleasure to chat with you too.

Being the nutty Orwell fan that I am, i'm quite aware that even though Orwell was educated at the same place as 14 of our Government ministers, Eton, that is the only thing that ties him to Conservatism. He was a Democratic Socialist and states his support for Socialism in his works.

Conservatives wrongly try to claim him as one of them, because he spent a lot of time attacking Communism. They don't seem to fathom that you can be left wing and not be an authoritarian. They should all read Homage to Catalonia and they too might learn something, but then again, conservatives generally dont like to part with cash.

If you haven't, do please read Homage to Catalonia, it really is fantastic and so damn easy to read.

[HeyItsZeus]

You mean I can't do this... "That man over there is a cunthole "


Anyway, I personally don't like labels, they create separations that society and our minds that don't really exist.
They do help in understanding things though, so I see why they are necessary.

But they do exist... It's part of our nature to label and stereotype etc...

[reverendjeremiah]

The inspiration for Orwell's growth into conservatism remains unexplored.

Perhaps because he never grew into conservatism, and therefore no exploration into that notion was warranted?

LOL.."Do as I say, not as I do" shall be the sum of authoritarian thought.

Conservatives wrongly try to claim him as one of them, because he spent a lot of time attacking Communism. They don't seem to fathom that you can be left wing and not be an authoritarian. They should all read Homage to Catalonia and they too might learn something, but then again, conservatives generally dont like to part with cash.

I have read bits and peices of it. In fact, before you even made the suggestion I went to Amazon and downloaded the kindel version of that book to my "PADD" (Im a big Star Trek fan, and I call my Kindel a "Padd"). I am very cautious not to call Orwell an Anarchist. He went to catalonia and remarked of how peaceful the area was even though surrounded by war from Franco/Mussolini/Hitler Fascists. He also was very happy to see the working man in control of the country, so much so that he put his pen down from his writings and fought alongside the Lib Left forces very nearly losing his life in helping the struggle. Once he felt he spent what he felt was enough time fighting (the sydicalist army was completely voluntary, yet it took the combined forces of the Catholic church, Hitler, Mussolini, AND Franco to take them down AND most capitalist states embargoed them on account of their anti-authoritarian/pro-anarchy/pro-worker views) He penned the book of which you mentioned and which I am looking forward to reading with great enthusiasm.

..but...like I said. I am very cautious in claiming anyone an Anarchist...yet, Orwell fought for the Anarchist forces. He did admit that he didnt agree with everything the Revolution brought about, but he said something to the tune of "something about the place made me put down the pen and pick up the gun. Revolutions was in the streets. People did not say "beunos Dias", but "Salud"". I love Orwell's writings, and for Conservapedians to say that Orwell, who fought for the ultra left wing anti-authoritarian cause, is a "conservative leader" shows that they dont know DONKEY DICK about Orwell..perhaps one of the greatest political opinionists of the 20th century...or about basic political definitions or ideology.

If Orwell were alive today the conservapedians would be comparing him to Hitler and Stalin and Satan..fucking fickle ignorant bastards.

You meant Conservapedia, of course. You're surprised that Conservapedia is just making shit up to suit their agenda?

YIKES!!!!1!!1ELEVENTYONE!!! A mistake like that is unforgivable. I apologize to all on the board...LOL...oops...but you pretty much know me by now and know it was a mistake. Still, I deserve to be placed in the pillary for such an affront of comparing apples to rotten shit.

But they do exist... It's part of our nature to label and stereotype etc...

The duality of labels in my mind (absurdist philosophy)..we need them yet they create many problems from generalizations and willingly lumping individuals into a blanket statement...alas, we are all humans in an inhuman cosmos.