Libertarian left and right

[kılıç_mehmet]

"Turkism"?

Sounds like "Shit-ism" to me.

There is nothing special about your race just like there is nothing special about mine, and if you dwell on it then there must not be much else about you. Ethnologists whatever, I find you to be a racist son of a bitch..talking shit about white women, calling them sluts, and then banging your chest over being a Turk, as if Turkish women cant be sluts as well.

Here's to hoping that your kind (racists) die off during my generation so that we can have peace on this beautiful Earth.

Now kindly suck a fart out of a pigs asshole and then fuck off forever you scum of the Earth. You will not be missed, and only spoken about as an example of how NOT to act in society.

..and 5th horseman, Mehmet doesnt give a shit about facts. All he cares about is claiming racial superiority and the right of tyrants to rule through genetic lineage. Havent you been paying attention to him? If you arent Turkish genetically then you are a second class citizen to him.

in other words...he's a schmuck

There is nothing special about your race just like there is nothing special about mine, and if you dwell on it then there must not be much else about you. Ethnologists whatever, I find you to be a racist son of a bitch..talking shit about white women, calling them sluts, and then banging your chest over being a Turk, as if Turkish women cant be sluts as well.

Wow, someone is really mad.
And yes, I care deeply about the wellbeing and future of my own race and people. Since you live in a racially...diverse country which has a name based on a continent(America), rather than a people, like my country, whose name means "land of the Turks", it'd seem almost natural if I care for the wellbeing of Turks as a primary goal.
But Turkism does not just dwell within the current boundries of my country, it extends itself to others, and we have supporters from virtually every Sovereign and non-sovereign Turkic states, and even from states like Hungary.
Besides, there is something special about my race. That is, we are not you. And you are not us. We are different, seperate, and we have our own qualities, you have yours.
Besides, it doesn't really matter if there are Turkish women who are sluts(and be assured, there are). What I don't get is why you put an emphasis on being a *slut*. Like since there are Turkish sluts aswell, this should justify the wrong behaviour of sluts around the earth. To be honest, it does not.

Here's to hoping that your kind (racists) die off during my generation so that we can have peace on this beautiful Earth.

Oh, and I'm the threat to your "world peace"? Tell me, how am I threatening your world peace, when I just want my kin to be left the fuck alone from you, the russians and the chinese?
That's all I want. Nothing more. Maybe I should hope that your kind, the russians and the chinese die off during my generation, so that we can have peace in the lands of Turan.
But I don't. I still retain my hope for the future that you will certainly see that your kind is the one that threatens world peace, not us, since you don't even have peace in your own lands to speak of.

Now kindly suck a fart out of a pigs asshole and then fuck off forever you scum of the Earth. You will not be missed, and only spoken about as an example of how NOT to act in society.

Obviously, swearing to get your point across presents a perfect example on how to act in society.

..and 5th horseman, Mehmet doesnt give a shit about facts. All he cares about is claiming racial superiority and the right of tyrants to rule through genetic lineage. Havent you been paying attention to him? If you arent Turkish genetically then you are a second class citizen to him.

Good that I could get my points across.
I'm just fighting fire with fire.

[The Grand Nudger]

Except that to argue that "Turks" are "racially pure" as the opposite of racially diverse is a joke. Your country has been a crossroads and melting pot for longer span of time than any other place on earth. It happens to be (currently) named "The Land of the Turks" because of that bloody hand that went into conquering it...not exactly something to be proud of.

"Your kin" are my kin, same applies to the chinese and russians. The reverse is also true. That sort of thinking, your kin/my kin is credible threat which has had horrible consequences, and is based on absolute garbage. Did my ancestors miss Turkey on their way out into the world? Most likely not. Guess that makes me Turkish too. You've taken a snapshot of time (a violent time no less) and built some sort of myth around it, a view of yourself and others which is at odds with all of our best interests (and often at odds with reality), including your own. You don't want to be left alone, you need us. All of us.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Except that to argue that "Turks" are "racially pure" as the opposite of racially diverse is a joke. Your country has been a crossroads and melting pot for longer span of time than any other place on earth. It happens to be (currently) named "The Land of the Turks" because of that bloody hand that went into conquering it...not exactly something to be proud of.

Nearly all ethnic Turks can trace their ancestry to one or the other Turkic tribe that migrated to anatolia after our glorious victory against the romans at Manzikert.
After that, any other race besides ours has been a minority, and Anatolia effectively became a part of Turan.
And just for your information, these lands have been known as the lands of Turks for more than just a century.
And I'm proud of this archivement.
And to your allegations on our purity, in my terms, purity is based on your blood. If you know that there was no foreign taint in your family for the last two generations, you are pure in my eyes, and it does not matter if you had a non-turk grand-grand-grand-grand...mother some 6 generations back.
However, children born of recent intermarriages are not pure in our eyes, and these are what we are trying to prevent, actually.
But at the end, it's up to the individual. The best we can do is to educate our people to preserve their own blood and identity.

[The Grand Nudger]

Next thing you know...cats will be marrying dogs.....

[reverendjeremiah]

Wow, someone is really mad.

Yup..Im mad and I dispise you.

And yes, I care deeply about the wellbeing and future of my own race and people.

Bullshit, because if you new ANYTHING about history and genetics you would now that your peoplare MY people and THEIR people are OUR people and we are all HUMANS. You dont care about your people. You only care about people who look like you, and even then you would have them be subjected to massive authoritarianism, encouraging them to shit upon the rest of their family. The HUMAN family. We can all mate and have offspring, which means we are all genetically the same race. If you refuse to understand that then fuck you and go the fuck away.

Since you live in a racially...diverse country which has a name based on a continent(America), rather than a people, like my country, whose name means "land of the Turks", it'd seem almost natural if I care for the wellbeing of Turks as a primary goal.

Yes, because your family lineage stretches all the way back to the forming of Turks in your land, and has nothing to do with every other humans common decent from the southern most tip of Africa...and laughably you talk as if no other Turk has interbred between other cultures. God DAMN you are fucking stupid!!!

Lets look up the definition and origin of Turkey...shall we

Land of Göktürks, a NOMADIC (otherwise knwon as NON-INDIGINOUS) tribes in medieval Inner Asia. In other words, your "pure race" has fucked and spat out babies from Greeks, Romans, Mongols, Africans, ...and here recently everyone around the whole fucking world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrks
Hey dipshit..there is no such thing as a "pure bred turk" any more than there is a "pure bred white man".

Besides, there is something special about my race.

TRANSLATION: There is something special about ME, and this is all of the bullshit I have concocted to make myself seem special...you best take me serious or I break you leg!!!

RESPONSE: If I break you leg, does that mean you turkish race no special?

That is, we are not you.

biology fail.... you are a fucking idiot. If you were not "us" then you and "we" would not be able to procreate.

We are different, seperate, and we have our own qualities, you have yours.

historically and biologically illiterate..Im not suprised. You are just as much as a mutt as I am. The difference? I admit it where as you are infested with delusions of grandeur.

Besides, it doesn't really matter if there are Turkish women who are sluts(and be assured, there are). What I don't get is why you put an emphasis on being a *slut*. Like since there are Turkish sluts aswell, this should justify the wrong behaviour of sluts around the earth. To be honest, it does not.

Because you made it a several post topic of how much you looked down upon those of European modern decent. You tried as hard as you could to make modern europeans (who are now very much mutts) look as if they are trash just because they are willing to fuck you easily

So tell me...if a woman not of your color is willing to easily fuck you, does that make her a slut? Did you fuck her back? Doesnt that make you a slut as well? you claim to have racial "specialness" yet you claim to have had many women from London and England. What...you didnt turn down the "non-special women". you stuck your special dick in their non-special va jay jay? You are a fucking user, a moron, and a scum.

BTW, if you fuck sluts, then you ARE a slut you fucking dumbass slut..and so much for that "special race" bullshit that you drag on about when you stick your dick so willingly in every fucking non-Turkish hole and drag on about "my breed is special". IDIOT!

Oh, and I'm the threat to your "world peace"?

racist idiots such as yourself have caused much harm to humanity...YES..you are a threat to world peace..your ignorance justifies tyranny in the name of your stupid delusions of grandeur.

Obviously, swearing to get your point across presents a perfect example on how to act in society.

Right, because you suggesting that you are a special race isnt an insult to me...oh no...only I insulted you. How dare I insult those of the "true Turkish"race... kindly fuck off.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Bullshit, because if you new ANYTHING about history and genetics you would now that your peoplare MY people and THEIR people are OUR people and we are all HUMANS.

Sure. Humanism, answer to everything. By the way, what did this huge family you speak of ever do for me, let alone anyone else around the world?
Nothing.
I see through this humanistic crap.

You dont care about your people. You only care about people who look like you, and even then you would have them be subjected to massive authoritarianism, encouraging them to shit upon the rest of their family. The HUMAN family.

Yes, I encourage my people to marry amongst their own. Just like our minorities encourage their people to marry amongst their own. We're propagating our blood and our superiority in this country by these means, and ensure the survival of Turkic presence, and the presence of our culture and language aswell. Besides, this was quite a widespread thing before your...humanism kicked in.

We can all mate and have offspring, which means we are all genetically the same race. If you refuse to understand that then fuck you and go the fuck away.

I don't declare myself or my people of being a different species. But I think this is analogous to the way the dog has evolved. It has different brees. But the dog has no mind, and knows not what characteristics his offspring will lose if it chooses to subject it's offspring to mixed blood,
but technically, they are all the same species, but according to your way of thinking, we should allow all dogs to come around, and have mixed offspring until there is only a single, mongrel breed of pup.
We humans, aside from our characteristics as "breeds" also have different languages and cultures. You however, refuse to recognize that fact.

Next thing you know...cats will be marrying dogs.....

It's not about that either. Our people are going soft with all this ummah and humanism propaganda, while our minorities are doing everything in their hands to keep pure. Why shouldn't we adhere to the same principles?
We want our own kin to grow and prosper. They do so for their own.

TRANSLATION: There is something special about ME, and this is all of the bullshit I have concocted to make myself seem special...you best take me serious or I break you leg!!!

RESPONSE: If I break you leg, does that mean you turkish race no special?

If I want to break someone's legs, I generally do not put forward any sorts of conditionalities, or any warnings whatsoever.
Yeah, but I have not concocted myself anything at all. I just inherited these from my ancestors, and those did so from theirs. My point still stands. I am not Turkish because I say I am. I am Turkish because I was born Turkish. And there would be no other way, since my parents are also Turks. And their parents aswell. I don't have to come off and claim to be someone that I'm not. And unlike the most people of your country who claim dozens of ethnic heritages, without knowing their language, nor their culture, I lay claim on a single one, of which I know the language, and several cultures associated with it.

We're not you, and you are not us. And if you're not of us, then you're mostly irrelevant to me in our primary goals.

biology fail.... you are a fucking idiot. If you were not "us" then you and "we" would not be able to procreate.

If that's the only thing in which you measure it. The ability to procreate?
And I wasn't talking about this in a biological meaning either, and you know this, but you know that I'm right, and instead, bring up the biology argument, as if that ever helped humanity to unite, ever.
If nothing, it has helped our segregation, as different races are a byproduct of your "biology", even if we have the same chromosome number and identical DNA enough to produce fertile offspring, we're not mindless animals to do so just because we can.
If you think you are, fine, do whatever you want to do, go and marry bantus, turks, arabs, irish, chinese...
But my eyes are open, and I have laid aside the false face of this so-called unity, for it only serves those who see themselves as "more unitarian than thou" types, such as yourselves.
And if you were on the top, that is, you'd be even more authoritarian than you claim I'd ever be.

historically and biologically illiterate..Im not suprised. You are just as much as a mutt as I am. The difference? I admit it where as you are infested with delusions of grandeur.

I believe that it is you, who is deluded here. I never laid claim to anything that isn't mine. You however probably lay claim on things that aren't yours, and I'll be sure to demonstrate this fact if we have a "culture-off" thread some time later on...
Since you are unable to find solece and refuge in any part of your life, you think that you will be able to find them in "humanity"?
As you see, here I am, a member of the human species, telling you to fuck off, as I have nothing in common with you, other than of being of the same species. Bah.

Because you made it a several post topic of how much you looked down upon those of European modern decent. You tried as hard as you could to make modern europeans (who are now very much mutts) look as if they are trash just because they are willing to fuck you easily

Yes, the poor euros. In fact, there are only three of them who are "mutts" in the real sense.
And well, any individual, who engages in promiscuous relations with others around him/her is "trash", by your words, not mine.
My point was, that such types are becoming more and more common in the west, creating myths in Turkey that western girls are willing to sleep with you more so than your average Turkish girl is. And well, that is true, actually, and from my own experiences, and those whom I know, and general public opinion amongst our youth, it is general knowledge. I'm not sure if the tourists who come here have any knowledge of this.
But as a person who has stayed in Germany for three years, I could say that I've seen examples that made me believe that such topics as sexual restrain and morality do not really matter in Europe anymore.
Like, sexually explicit movies, aimed at teens aired after 8 pm?
Bravo magazines, which were the stuff of our wet dreams, easily accessible to even people under 12?
Surely, the west is not doing anything to change my opinion on them.

So tell me...if a woman not of your color is willing to easily fuck you, does that make her a slut? Did you fuck her back? Doesnt that make you a slut as well? you claim to have racial "specialness" yet you claim to have had many women from London and England. What...you didnt turn down the "non-special women". you stuck your special dick in their non-special va jay jay? You are a fucking user, a moron, and a scum.

This proves my point. If she wouldn't be so willing, neither would I.
Besides, why should I?

BTW, if you fuck sluts, then you ARE a slut you fucking dumbass slut..and so much for that "special race" bullshit that you drag on about when you stick your dick so willingly in every fucking non-Turkish hole and drag on about "my breed is special". IDIOT!

And tell me, why shouldn't I, if I have the chance to do so?
And as I said, "chance". I do not have the choice of going to a woman on the street and saying, "hello, I want to sleep with you", even if I were attractive and expect something in return...except, if that person is a slut.
So it generally comes down not on me, but on the opposing party to either refuse or accept.
I am just taking advantage of a privilige I've been given there, not going around, and allowing others to take advantage of me.

racist idiots such as yourself have caused much harm to humanity...YES..you are a threat to world peace..your ignorance justifies tyranny in the name of your stupid delusions of grandeur.

And frankly, you can have your humanity.
This is generally the reason why we should stick to eachother to protect ourselves, from you, since you have caused pain to humanity without being racist either.

Right, because you suggesting that you are a special race isnt an insult to me...oh no...only I insulted you. How dare I insult those of the "true Turkish"race... kindly fuck off.

I don't feel insulted, thank you.

[5thHorseman]

Why do you want to stay 'pure?'. I doubt any of you are.

Is it a fear of not having identity? Xenophobia?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Why do you want to stay 'pure?'. I doubt any of you are.

Is it a fear of not having identity? Xenophobia?

I think my words are pretty damn clear.
This is the only way me, or any other people on this earth can survive.
Besides, such racial matters are quite complicated to describe here, and certainly, people from countries like America will say "so what", since they have no real ethnic consciousness whatsoever.

[reverendjeremiah]

Sure. Humanism, answer to everything. By the way, what did this huge family you speak of ever do for me, let alone anyone else around the world?
Nothing.
I see through this humanistic crap.

Of course you see through that crap..because you just made that up. You have strawmanned my entire response. Please go back to my last response and re-read it again. This time try to work on your retention skills. If you can manage that, then you would see that not once did I mention humanism in my response. In fact, I clearly am aware that I have NEVER discussed humanism with you even since you have joined this forum.

What I was bringin up was BIOLOGICAL FACT. You have justified my claim that you are scientifically illiterate by equating biology with humanism. Im even willing to bet you dont even know what humanism is.

Yes, I encourage my people to marry amongst their own. Just like our minorities encourage their people to marry amongst their own. We're propagating our blood and our superiority in this country by these means, and ensure the survival of Turkic presence, and the presence of our culture and language aswell. Besides, this was quite a widespread thing before your...humanism kicked in.

Yes, and you are making me have the urge to go out and impregnate a Turk myself. Maybe one of your cousins. Then my kid would be 100% Turkish when he is born because, you know, he was born in Turkey. Then I will ship in some black guys and some Puerto ricans and some Mexicans and encourage them all to bread with Turkish women. If I do it right, in less than one generation people like you would become non-existeant and your country would become very diverse and will survive even better than your plans.

..and I wasnt talking humanism..I was talking about biology. Its not my fault you are fucking stupid and dont know the difference between the two.

I don't declare myself or my people of being a different species. But I think this is analogous to the way the dog has evolved.

Oh great..Im about to get lectured on biology from somoeone who doesnt know the difference between biology and humanism...*sigh*...

It has different brees. But the dog has no mind, and knows not what characteristics his offspring will lose if it chooses to subject it's offspring to mixed blood,

What you are describing is eugenics, and it was something that Hitler very much believed in. In reality their arent many facts backing up eugenics for humans. If you were scientifically literate you would already know that...but you arent, and prefer pseudo science instead.

P.S. - A dog very much has a mind. I point to the presence of dogs brains that they have a mind. you are so deluded that you are making stupid mistakes now to get your point across. You make a blatant mistake that dogs have no mind, and then use it to compare to your concept of human eugenics.

Its like a fail sandwich.

but technically, they are all the same species, but according to your way of thinking, we should allow all dogs to come around, and have mixed offspring until there is only a single, mongrel breed of pup.

...what are you dragging on about now?

We humans, aside from our characteristics as "breeds" also have different languages and cultures. You however, refuse to recognize that fact.

I clearly recognize that things such as language and culture have absolutely NOTHING to do with genetics and EVERYTHING to do with people learning them. I can learn your customs and language better than you know it right now if I wished to spend time on it, and I dont have a single drop of Turkish blood in me several generations back. "Breeding" does not create language and culture. You are dead wrong even about simple things. Its actually quite embarassing.

If I want to break someone's legs, I generally do not put forward any sorts of conditionalities, or any warnings whatsoever.

neither do I

Yeah, but I have not concocted myself anything at all. I just inherited these from my ancestors, and those did so from theirs. My point still stands. I am not Turkish because I say I am. I am Turkish because I was born Turkish

You are Turkish only if you are born in Turkey, or from parents who were born in Turkey themselves, and that is it. If your parents were both from Turkey and gave birth to you on American soil you would be an American, but also a Turk. My parents are both natural born Americans. If they gave birth to me on Turkish soil I would rightfully be a Turk regardless of how much you would beat your chest or rip your short hairs out. I would be a 100% Turk, white skinned, blue eyed, blond haired Turk. I would also be an American.

And there would be no other way, since my parents are also Turks. And their parents aswell. I don't have to come off and claim to be someone that I'm not. And unlike the most people of your country who claim dozens of ethnic heritages, without knowing their language, nor their culture, I lay claim on a single one, of which I know the language, and several cultures associated with it.

You are proud of something which took NO effort for you to earn. You take pride in being born, and expect me to say "yeah, you and your people are special because look...they produced you" Your entire argument can easily be broken down to appeasing your own ego, because surely if you were born chinese you would be dragging on about how chinese need to be pure, and they need to find their sovereignty, and others things of that ilk. You lay claim on a single one, but you are in no way pure. your heritage very much has greek, Roman, Mongolian, etc...they are your cultures as well, yet you stick your nose up to them.

Either way I am an American..culture doesnt mean shit over here.

We're not you, and you are not us. And if you're not of us, then you're mostly irrelevant to me in our primary goals.

I can just feel the love pooring out of your racist ignorant ass.

If you think you are, fine, do whatever you want to do, go and marry bantus, turks, arabs, irish, chinese...
But my eyes are open, and I have laid aside the false face of this so-called unity, for it only serves those who see themselves as "more unitarian than thou" types, such as yourselves.
And if you were on the top, that is, you'd be even more authoritarian than you claim I'd ever be.

The definition of authoritarian is free for you to read online, but i cant make you read it. To put it clearly, I would abolish the state and the government. That is THE most ANTI-AUTHORITRIAN thing that anyone can do. You would know this if only you knew the definition of authority, which you have shown that you do not simply by suggesting that Anarchy would be MORE authoritative than your Khanate...which is mind bogglingly and stunningly WRONG!

I believe that it is you, who is deluded here. I never laid claim to anything that isn't mine. You however probably lay claim on things that aren't yours, and I'll be sure to demonstrate this fact if we have a "culture-off" thread some time later on...

I dont get involved in race games with those who have proven themselves to be racist schmucks. Instead I prefer cutting the valve stems off the tires of their cars, or sugar in their gastanks. you deserve social punishment for your socially damaging viewpoints.

Since you are unable to find solece and refuge in any part of your life, you think that you will be able to find them in "humanity"?

..says the man who must be so socially inept and mediocre that he has to hide behind "racially pure" non-sense in an apparent attempt to boost his self asteem.

My point was, that such types are becoming more and more common in the west, creating myths in Turkey that western girls are willing to sleep with you more so than your average Turkish girl is

Now, do you think it is possible that such a rumor was spread more to be hate propaganda by racist Turks such as yourself, or that it is actual truth?

Im willing to bet my pay check that the rumor is race propaganda from ignorant twats such as yourself. Might as well say American blacks are lazy and Native Americans are all alcoholics. might as well say all turks are into bestiality.

actually, and from my own experiences, and those whom I know, and general public opinion amongst our youth, it is general knowledge. I'm not sure if the tourists who come here have any knowledge of this.
But as a person who has stayed in Germany for three years, I could say that I've seen examples that made me believe that such topics as sexual restrain and morality do not really matter in Europe anymore.
Like, sexually explicit movies, aimed at teens aired after 8 pm?
Bravo magazines, which were the stuff of our wet dreams, easily accessible to even people under 12?
Surely, the west is not doing anything to change my opinion on them.

LMFAO..you are such a goober...I just did a google search for "Turkish Porn" and produced 26 MILLION results. Site after site devoted to Turkish Porn. Looks like you turks are pretty easy too, just like us European decendants

This proves my point. If she wouldn't be so willing, neither would I.
Besides, why should I?

Sure, I mean..she isnt "special" like you are, so it isnt your fault if she makes you think impure thoughts. Its her fault really. You arent sticking your special dick in her unspecial twat. She is putting her unspecial twat over your super special dick.
Then again, I dont blame you. Europeans are hot, hot, hot and you know it. Thats why you get it on with them. Some of the most beautiful women in the world are in Sweden and the nordic countries. I dont blame you one second for not wanting to make love to a perfect body like a blond haired blue eyed northern European. I am a product of these northern European types, so I know what I am talking about. Sure, there isnt anything special about us, but we do have some very beautiful people...and you obviously recognize our beauty, because if you didnt agree that we were beautiful, then you would not be sticking your "special" dick into our women...would you?
Everytime you stick your dick in a European is you showing your support for world humanism, thankyou. Please be diverse and have children with other types of people, this is a good thing for humanity. Find yourself a nice black woman and settle down and have some kids. Humanism fully supports your freedom to want women from other countries..no need to be ashamed of it. I have had black pussy, white pussy, mexican pussy, french pussy, Hawaiian pussy. I have probably forgotten about more pussy than you have had..and, well, I see nothing special about me or them other than their individual personalities..or you for that matter..

And tell me, why shouldn't I, if I have the chance to do so?
And as I said, "chance". I do not have the choice of going to a woman on the street and saying, "hello, I want to sleep with you", even if I were attractive and expect something in return...except, if that person is a slut.
So it generally comes down not on me, but on the opposing party to either refuse or accept.
I am just taking advantage of a privilige I've been given there, not going around, and allowing others to take advantage of me.

I dont blame you. the whole "Im racially superior" deal looks good on paper, but in real life it pushes the pussy away. So you have to act like someone that you arent to get pussy. apparently you being special doesnt add the ability for you to control your dick, because if you honestly believed all that racist bullshit you spout off, then you would not be sticking your dick in ANY girl other than a Turk. Blaming the non-turk girls for this only makes you look like an ignorant, conflicted asshole. By the way, if you fuck a slut, that makes you a slut. Also, the only way it would be the non-turk womans fault is if she forced you....did they force you, or did you willingly break your racial purity?


Then again, like I said, we europeans have quite possibly the most beautiful people on the planet..so I dont blame you for being infactuated with us and finding us sexy and attractive.

And frankly, you can have your humanity.
This is generally the reason why we should stick to eachother to protect ourselves, from you, since you have caused pain to humanity without being racist either.

But you dont do that. You go out and have sex with non-turkish women. you arent even practicing what you preach.

[reverendjeremiah]

As of now..the racist sexist Mehmet is on my ignore list... Heres to hoping that his kind dies off during my lifetime so the world will become a better place.