Marriage

[Meatball]

i will never get married at the church, religious marriage is just a pretentious ritual

What would you call secular marriage?

[Overmars]

i will never get married at the church, religious marriage is just a pretentious ritual

What would you call secular marriage?

i'm not saying that secular marriage is very important for a couple, but it has some legal benefits

[Edwardo Piet]

Despite that's true - I personally wouldn't ever get married just for legal benefits because it seems very shallow and a bit discomforting perhaps - to do it simply for that, perhaps a bit silly and insincere I dunno, just doesn't seem right to me.

Besides what's the point if you might end up getting a divorce years later (or even months) regardless of how in-love you were? It happens.

And like I said; I think being able to stay together without making a 'commitment' such as 'marriage' is a mark of true spontaneous love.

[Giff]

Agree with you EVF

It is an religious cermony which partly make me against marriage. I'm also against it for the same reason as you EVS.

It also originates from old times when marriage meant money, influence and power. So marriage in beginning wasn't so much about love.

Even though that isn't so today, even though it give you legal beinifits and such, do I not see why people think marriage is so beutiful and touching. I simply can't understand that.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Even though that isn't so today, even though it give you legal beinifits and such, do I not see why people think marriage is so beutiful and touching. I simply can't understand that.

I think it is about commitment and partnership, that kind of thing. There are also the negative social impacts being divorced, unmarried and single parented has on kids to consider.

Kyu

[Giff]

Even though that isn't so today, even though it give you legal beinifits and such, do I not see why people think marriage is so beutiful and touching. I simply can't understand that.

I think it is about commitment and partnership, that kind of thing.

Ok fair enough. But you could show that in another way then getting married.

[Kyuuketsuki]

I think it is about commitment and partnership, that kind of thing.

Ok fair enough. But you could show that in another way then getting married.

I'm sure you could but, given that marriage is more complicated/binding arrangement than living together (in the UK common law man & wife), I think that being willing to legally "tie" oneself legally to another is one way of demonstrating that commitment. When you think about it marriage must mean something otherwise so many gay/lesbian couples wouldn't be so fired up about having the same rights would they?

Kyu

[Edwardo Piet]

Tbh, (unless you've already got kids and it's best to stay in the relationship) I'm really not that big on 'commitment'.

It's like its making love sound like a contract.

Like I said I think love should be spontaneous and free; and if it's strong enough it will last naturally.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

What would you call secular marriage?

From personal experience? An expensive mistake.

Legal marriage has some interesting legal ramifications in my county:

Marriage invalidates any existing will. Divorce does not. If you are married and die intestate,your spouse gets everything.If you both die instantly in the same accident,the older person is deemed to have died first.If there is no will and no children,the next of kin of the younger gets the lot.

On marriage,in theory,any property already owned becomes "property of the marriage"

The man is legally the father of any children born to his wife during the marriage. This may change due to advances in DNA testing,but has not yet in my country.

Pedantic point: In my country ALL marriages are secular. Marriage is above all a civil contract and has been for millennia.Its main purpose has always been the protection of property,especially inheritance.
Until late last century,illegitimate children had no rights under the law. A person still must be legitimate to inherit any title under the rules of primogeniture.

The law does not recognise religious marriages unless they are registered with Births Deaths and marriages.All registering does is to formally declare the fact of a marriage, which requires no ceremony of any kind.


Wiki:


[/quote]Primogeniture is the common law right of the firstborn son to inherit the entire estate, to the exclusion of younger siblings. It is the tradition brought by the Normans to England in 1066. According to the Norman tradition, the firstborn son inherited the entirety of a parent's wealth, estate, title or office. In the absence of children, inheritance passed to the collateral relatives, in order of seniority of the collateral line.[quote]

[Giff]

Marriage in general is quite silly. But it probably have a lot of traditional and cultural value, and some cases religious. But as EvF am I not big on commitment either.

Love pretty much just last 4 years, after that will that new love feeling disspear and after that will the couple instead have a more friendlike relationship or the opposite. The later one leads to seperation.