Why did god create evil?

[The Grand Nudger]

A task for which the religions we've dreamt up are very well suited.

[Godscreated]

God did not create good or evil. God does not create choices, that is what good and evil are, choices. These choices lead to actions, without the choice no action. This is what Christ meant when He said that when a wrong desire was manifested in the heart it was a sin.
God never makes choices but man does. One who knows all doesn't need to make choices, it's man that has to make choices because we do not know what the next minute will hold. God does what is right, man does what is right and wrong because we make choices, if God had to make choices then He would not always do what is right, however as I said He always does right, thus being all knowing and never having to make choices.

[Shell B]

That was gibberish. I could come up with a gazillion instances in the Bible where god "created" a choice. That is coming from someone who does not make a habit of reading the bible. Eat from the tree of knowledge or don't is about where it began. I really do not mean to be an instigator, but your faith is the creepiest and most out there that I have ever come across. You quite literally make shit up that you think sounds good to suit your outlandish beliefs.

[chatpilot]

According to the bible the sin that Adam and Eve committed all boils down to disobedience, he told them not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and God being the great dictator that he is depicted as in the bible made that the one and only rule. 'Then Yahweh God gave the man this command, 'You are free to eat of all the trees in the garden.But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat; for, the day you eat of that, you are doomed to die.' Genesis 2:16,17 (NJB)

This whole situation could have been avoided if God did not place the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden in the first place. It's like putting an innocent child in a room with a bowl full of candy and telling him not to eat any of it, this is a simple case of curiosity killed the cat. God's so called "choice experiment" was doomed to fail. Also God's chauvinistic nature is revealed here because man being created first than the woman makes him the head of the family unit and the woman subservient to him. So although Eve was first tempted and later tempted Adam, he is also held responsible for not resisting his wife and remaining faithful to the commandment of God.

The temptation or "choice" was not the snake it was that damn tree! There is a recurring pattern in the bible all throughout its pages that basically put everything that happens on this Earth that is bad on man. This religion is a self loathing religion that requires you to debase yourself before a fictional being and grovel for salvation from yourself and your evil nature. This applies to both Judaism and Christianity and other ancient myths and belief systems. 'Yahweh saw that human wickedness was great on earth and that human hearts contrived nothing but wicked schemes all day long. Yahweh regretted having made human beings on earth and was grieved at heart.' Genesis 6:5,6 (NJB).

In conclusion, according to the bible God did not create evil. Evil is the result of mans disobedience to God, it's a consequence of our own actions. How petty for a supernatural so called omnipotent being to put us into this situation, and then blame it on his poor ignorant and finite creation.

[lucent]

According to the bible the sin that Adam and Eve committed all boils down to disobedience, he told them not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and God being the great dictator that he is depicted as in the bible made that the one and only rule. 'Then Yahweh God gave the man this command, 'You are free to eat of all the trees in the garden.But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat; for, the day you eat of that, you are doomed to die.' Genesis 2:16,17 (NJB)

I don't think one rule is unreasonable, do you?

This whole situation could have been avoided if God did not place the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden in the first place. It's like putting an innocent child in a room with a bowl full of candy and telling him not to eat any of it, this is a simple case of curiosity killed the cat. God's so called "choice experiment" was doomed to fail. Also God's chauvinistic nature is revealed here because man being created first than the woman makes him the head of the family unit and the woman subservient to him. So although Eve was first tempted and later tempted Adam, he is also held responsible for not resisting his wife and remaining faithful to the commandment of God.

He put the tree there so they could have a choice whether to obey Him or not. If there was no choice they would be nothing more than robots. An evaluation of the text tells a different story than what you've implied. Eve was not naturally tempted by the tree, and she knew it was wrong to eat from it:

Genesis 3:1-7

He said to the woman, "Did God actually say, 'You shall not eat of any tree in the garden'?" And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'"

This shows that not only did she know she wasn't supposed to do it, but that she also knew what the consequences were.

But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise,

Here she let herself succumb to the temptation.. Satan used three basic temptations here. The lust of the flesh (the apple was good for food), the lust of the eyes (the tree was a delight to the eyes) and the pride of life (she would be made wise by eating it). Eve put away what God had said and selfishly wanted the wisdom of God for herself. That wasn't innocent.

The temptation or "choice" was not the snake it was that damn tree! There is a recurring pattern in the bible all throughout its pages that basically put everything that happens on this Earth that is bad on man. This religion is a self loathing religion that requires you to debase yourself before a fictional being and grovel for salvation from yourself and your evil nature. This applies to both Judaism and Christianity and other ancient myths and belief systems. 'Yahweh saw that human wickedness was great on earth and that human hearts contrived nothing but wicked schemes all day long. Yahweh regretted having made human beings on earth and was grieved at heart.' Genesis 6:5,6 (NJB)

The bible accurately describes human behavior to a t; it is universally corrupt. We're all hypocrites who have failed to live up to our own standards let alone Gods standard. Sin is real, and as you keep partaking in it, you become more and more corrupt. It is a spiritual blindless and bondage; enslavement to desires. It isn't debasing to ask God for forgiveness, nor does God want you to grovel. He wants to adopt you into His family, and give you eternal life.

In conclusion, according to the bible God did not create evil. Evil is the result of mans disobedience to God, it's a consequence of our own actions. How petty for a supernatural so called omnipotent being to put us into this situation, and then blame it on his poor ignorant and finite creation.

It didn't have to be this way, but unfortunately it is, and human beings are still choosing evil every moment of every day. The rebellion continues on. We put ourselves in this situation..did anyone ever force you to commit a sin? Your conscience knows better, I would hope. If you're honest you'll have to admit that you aren't cutting the mustard, but you're not alone; that's you and everyone else including me.

[Shell B]

In short, lucent, he created the choice. Ergo, godschild is wrong.

[Anomalocaris]

. You quite literally make shit up that you think sounds good to suit your outlandish beliefs.

Who can remain Christian in the face of a reasoning skeptic without doing this? A very few sorry slop with prodigious wasted memories who is satisfied with indexing and borrowing shit made up by other other Christians, I suppose.

[chatpilot]

lucent, you don't need a bible or so called divine knowledge to define human behavior. A look back through history dating back before the existence of Judaism or Christianity will be sufficient to demonstrate that it has not changed much. You have good people and you have bad people and that is just a fact of life, but not all of us are bad.

Lucent wrote: The bible accurately describes human behavior to a t; it is universally corrupt. We're all hypocrites who have failed to live up to our own standards let alone Gods standard. Sin is real, and as you keep partaking in it, the more corrupt you become. It is a spiritual blindless and bondage; enslavement to desires. It isn't debasing to ask God for forgiveness, nor does God want you to grovel.

This statement proves my point just fine, in that one paragraph you have debased yourself and included the rest of mankind with you. I disagree with your belief that sin is real, sin is a word that is meaningless outside of a religious context. According to the scriptures the definition of sin is basically living in disobedience to God and following after your own carnal nature. Since I don't believe in your god nor any other for that matter, the word sin does not even exist in my vocabulary.

You stated that God does not want you to grovel but I disagree. If you read your bible carefully your holy dictator demands obedience and worship there are many texts both in the O.T. and the N.T. where God threatens us with some sort of bodily or spiritual harm for disobedience here are two for you. One from each Testament.

See now that I, I am he, and beside me there is no other god. It is I who deal death and life; when I have struck, it is I who heal (no one can rescue anyone from me). Deuteronomy 32:39 (NJB). Now if that is not a threat I don't know what is you should read the rest of the chapter its chock full of more juicy God threats.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; fear him rather who can destroy both body and soul in hell. Matthew 10:28 (NJB). And guess what? There is plenty more of where this came from all over the New Testament.

[Minimalist]

I don't think G-C has even read his own fucking book.

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness:

I make peace, and create evil:

I the Lord do all these things.

I can't say I blame him for not reading it because it really is total shit but then he shouldn't pretend that he knows what's in there.

[Shell B]

. You quite literally make shit up that you think sounds good to suit your outlandish beliefs.

Who can remain Christian in the face of a reasoning skeptic without doing this?

Apparently no one.