Pyramid of Capitalism

[kılıç_mehmet]

Bull crap. Communal living removes the "rich" from the rich, and the "poor" from the poor.

You realize that this isn't really possible in a full-commune like a kibbutz?
Yes, sure, children are "shared" perhaps, however people do have personal property. If there is personal property, there is no commune. And no one is willing to give up their personal property, at least I am not.
You're gonna force me?

thats because socialism is very strong in some of those countries. As far as america is concerned, well, we have been in a MAJOR decline lately.

Well, true, welfare is strong. However, I was speaking of the working people. Not the slackers. Because there are many, and I mean, many people that exploit the welfare system, and the government has to check with them to see if they are really keen on finding jobs or not, however most just use the money for hookers and blow.

Then you need to organize and kick the capitalists to the curb. Let them know who is in charge.

Well, I don't think it's as simple as that. First of all, most of these people are..like from a village somewhere in anatolia. They have come to the city thinking that they could make a better life here than back in their home village. Like in the village, they have everything they need-and even more, perhaps.
However what the government should try to do is to discourage migration from rural areas to urban areas.
And the slums are really like a cancer to every city they're in, however where they really shine is Istanbul. Istanbul is like the one place in Turkey where slums are a common sight. They also sap electricity and water, resulting in higher water and electricty bills for those who pay for it.
I think those people do not belong in the city and should be going back to their home village, and receive support as farmers, not as city dwellers.

But capitalism, on the other hand, is related to it in terms that agriculture is not receiving the support it once had. Cheap imports are killing our farmers, as their yields are not bought due to the cheap crops coming from outside, and animal husbandry is on a decline.

That is where the problem lies. And thanks to our president introducing "liberal economy" we're feeling it even harder, since Turkey is a heaven for monopolies.

Mehmet, a large chunk of Americans live in exactly the same situation. Unable to afford food without help from neighbors, friends, family, or the state and federal government. Frankly the "food" available at their price point isn't even food. Unable to pay their rent (even when the fed discounts it by putting money in the pot), let alone even contemplate buying an xbox. You watch too much TV. I grew up going to bed with an empty stomach and we werent even the poorest people we knew (and we had fields under cultivation and rivers, lakes, and oceans to fish out of; forests to hunt in). Hey hey, I lived in Germany for a few years myself, and they have slums as well. Those who live in poverty often do not have the opportunity to avail themselves of the benefits of being born in a first world country. There are dirty little shitholes around the world that outperform the US in key areas such as education, healthcare, and upward social mobility (read: working your way out of begging your neighbors for grocery money and gaming the eviction laws of whatever state you live in).

Well, I have never seen a slum in Germany, I can't lie, and I'm less sure that it had anyone else but immigrants in it, however for America, I can figure, as I've seen such things on TV aswell.. Like in cities of New York's Harlem and Bronx? Is that an equivalent?
Well, I don't know, you probably know better than me.
But I'm just trying to figure if the west is declining further into a third world country, or are we moving up? Or is it coming to an equilibrium?

Yeah..I wonder if Mehmet noticed the occupy movement in america?

Thousands upon thoousands of people, most of the homeless and living on the streets and parks because they have to.

I guess he believes Fox news...the occupiers have no clear message and are a bunch of lazy drains on society...since our streets are paved with gold and all.

Sorry if you misunderstand me. I don't watch fox news, nor do I have any idea of who those guys on OWS are. As I said, a survey could probably help out, and we'd at least know if the protests reflect what they claim.

[reverendjeremiah]

You realize that this isn't really possible in a full-commune like a kibbutz?
Yes, sure, children are "shared" perhaps, however people do have personal property. If there is personal property, there is no commune. And no one is willing to give up their personal property, at least I am not.
You're gonna force me?

Then it is not a "full-commune" ...is it?

Well, true, welfare is strong. However, I was speaking of the working people. Not the slackers. Because there are many, and I mean, many people that exploit the welfare system, and the government has to check with them to see if they are really keen on finding jobs or not, however most just use the money for hookers and blow.

so you were there when they spent it on hookers and blow?

..or did you just make that up?

Well, I don't think it's as simple as that. First of all, most of these people are..like from a village somewhere in anatolia. They have come to the city thinking that they could make a better life here than back in their home village. Like in the village, they have everything they need-and even more, perhaps.
However what the government should try to do is to discourage migration from rural areas to urban areas.
And the slums are really like a cancer to every city they're in, however where they really shine is Istanbul. Istanbul is like the one place in Turkey where slums are a common sight. They also sap electricity and water, resulting in higher water and electricty bills for those who pay for it.
I think those people do not belong in the city and should be going back to their home village, and receive support as farmers, not as city dwellers.

But capitalism, on the other hand, is related to it in terms that agriculture is not receiving the support it once had. Cheap imports are killing our farmers, as their yields are not bought due to the cheap crops coming from outside, and animal husbandry is on a decline.

That is where the problem lies. And thanks to our president introducing "liberal economy" we're feeling it even harder, since Turkey is a heaven for monopolies.

Damn, that sucks. Monoplies are NOT good.

[Violet]

What are you talking about, Revvie? Monopoly is great



And it comes in flavors!

[The Grand Nudger]

Dirty fucking immigrants and their slums, right Mehmet? Laying that aside. Poverty isn't restricted to the third world. Your country isn't exactly poor, and I'm willing to bet that you've seen a slum or two in Turkey. The Bronx and Harlem are filled with poverty sure, but there are areas of the US that are less well known (at least globally) with this problem as well. Almost the entirety of deep Appalachia, and large tracts of the southern US, for example. Kids without shoes, that can't read or write, and will lose every tooth they have by the age of 20. It isn't an issue of the US becoming a third world country, even at our most wealthy moments there has always been poverty here. Thankfully we have programs designed to alleviate this, but they are all in pretty deep shit right now. I'd be willing to concede to the fact that poverty isn't anywhere near as big a problem here as it is in some places....unless you're a member of the poor, of course. In that case it doesn't really matter where the fuck you live, does it? Hungry is hungry, broke is broke, begging is begging.