Animals and patterns. Humans and...?

[leo-rcc]

Tests isn't always needed to prove such things. It's impossible for those with not highly evolved brains to see or recognize patterns.

I certainly disagree. Pattern recognition is not a function that requires a complex brain. Squids do it, Bees do it, birds do it.

http://www.pnas.org/content/102/43/15665.full

http://www.pnas.org/content/100/11/6884.full

As an example.

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I mean complex patterns. They can't look at a rock and say "oh, that look like my cousin Vinny" or whatever it may resemble. We can anylyze patterns in a more complex way. We can look at a footprint from a animal and determin what it is. Haven't so far read that any other animal can do that, they have excellent smelling organs.

Anyway this isn't really the point with this thread. Since we have that ability and other animals haven't. Maybe there something out there that we are missing and perhaps all animals is missing. It could be that we can't recognize certain dimension that perhaps are visible but we just can't see them. Maybe something else that need a much more advanced barin to recognize.

Or have we enough advanced brain to recognize nearly all things?

[Kyuuketsuki]

Tests isn't always needed to prove such things. It's impossible for those with not highly evolved brains to see or recognize patterns.

Of course observation (tests, experimentation) are necessary to demonstrate such things and again I would like to know how you justify such an assertion because right now it is just coming across as arrogance, speciesism if you will.

Kyu

[leo-rcc]

For the record that was not my quote.

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[quote='leo-rcc' pid='13662' dateline='1239366342']Tests isn't always needed to prove such things. It's impossible for those with not highly evolved brains to see or recognize patterns.

Of course observation (tests, experimentation) are necessary to demonstrate such things and again I would like to know how you justify such an assertion because right now it is just coming across as arrogance, speciesism if you will.

Kyu

Say, what-what? I'm not arrogant.

I just learned this as I said in school and listened to scientist what they have said.

Humans are the only one who can calculate, recoginze advanced patterns, imiaginate and so on. This is what I've learned and this what I've heared from scientists. I've read about and heared about it.

Also I've seen documentaries about the human brain and the diffrence with animals. Our brain is the only that can imiaginate and see patterns, even though there are no. Like religion for an example.

A test have been done with mice and two blinking ligths. The lights have been rigged so that the right one blinked 70% of the time. The bjective for the mice was to see where the lights would blink by pressing a button, right or left. The mice got rewared when it picked right.

The mice noticed that it got rewarded when it pressed the right one and continued because it got rewarded most of the time. T

Then they had a human to do it. But he didn't suceed as well as the mice and didn't get as many right as the little creature. That was because he tried to figure out which light would blink. Adn there for presses the wrong button more often then mice. He tried to see if there was patterns, which there wasn't. He thought that they would blink exactly as many times. But that perhaps the left one would blink twice then the right one once and such.

Apes as goriallas, schimpansies do I not know if they can recognize patterns. But I know they can think and if they can fantasies, do I not know either. But I know atleast that they can accosiate a sound with a picture. Like banana or lion and such. The can hold up a picture or painting of a lion and several other animals. Then when someone says lion does the ape point at the right picture.

[Kyuuketsuki]

For the record that was not my quote.

Sorry ... edited now

Kyu