Theist. Who is your Lord and Monarch? Satan or Jesus?

[Greatest I am]

Who is your Lord and Monarch? Satan or Jesus?

Dogma says that God evicted Satan from heaven because he would not bow to man.

God also gave man dominion in Eden and this sovereignty was somehow given to Satan. We know this because he used it to tempt Jesus. His dominion thus had to be real or the temptation is a lie.

Dogma also says that through Jesus is now the only way for man to reach heaven. The hierarchy of powers over man seems to thus be God at the top, if allowed by Jesus. Second would be Satan as man’s rightful sovereign. Third would be Jesus who usurped the position of the Trinity as the final judge for our admittance to heaven.

The various position of the three mentioned can be argued but regardless of who is where, it still means that there are three invisible supernatural entities above man.

This is contrary to the fact that God initially wanted man to be in the third position and not the forth.

In nature, something man is a part of, all entities look to their own for guidance, laws and example to follow. Man breaks this natural pattern by placing three silent and invisible alien entities above us. A Father God who shows himself to not be a very good parent in Eden. A Satan entity who, even though is supposed to represent evil, is given sovereignty over man after God clawed back that dominion from us. And finally a Jesus entity who offers the greatest example of love, as well as the greatest example of hate as the gateway to heaven and hell.

We are learning that it is a good idea to work along with nature and not spoil it. Climate change being the teacher. We may be living souls but we must be human and natural first in order for the soul to have a home.

Why then are you, a human, going against nature by placing some other entity above you for the example, leadership and salvation that you think you need? That is counter to all of natures examples to us?

Much is said of the so called free will that God is said to have given man. Yet we all know what happened to Adam and Eve the moment they exercised their will and not the will of God. It was not pretty. God set the conditions for their death and I call that murder. We can see that God does not allow man a free will.

Why are you self deprecating yourself to a secondary position to an unknowable master? Why have you given up your free will to the will of an alien entity who basically says that if you do not do his will, you will burn for eternity? A threat from a tyrant and not free will at all.

To me, that is like a slave deciding to venerate and adore his owner.

Why are you not choosing your natural position of leadership or following human leadership? Why are you choosing a position that is basically of a slave?

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

John 8 44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

If Satan is our earthly King and father as scripture says, are you to serve Satan with deep respect and fear, or Jesus, who has no authority or dominion on earth?

Regards
DL

[kılıç_mehmet]

Why would you assume that all theists must be Christians?

[Greatest I am]

Why would you assume that all theists must be Christians?

I do not but on this side of the pond, 95% are from the Abraham cults and read from comparable books of myths.

Regards
DL

[Cinjin]

Answer: Neither. I chose not to play that particular game.

[justthetruth]

Why would you assume that all theists must be Christians?

I do not but on this side of the pond, 95% are from the Abraham cults and read from comparable books of myths.

Regards
DL

Hey GI, please do not confuse Islam with Christianity. Islam is antichrist. They are no better than atheist in sneekers. Like you guys they deny the diety of Jesus (Yeshua) by stating God did not have a Son that died on the cross for the sins of the world. Please do not compare us with them. There is nothing worth while in their book. If I had to rely on it I would be an atheist too.

[Greatest I am]

Why would you assume that all theists must be Christians?

I do not but on this side of the pond, 95% are from the Abraham cults and read from comparable books of myths.

Regards
DL

Hey GI, please do not confuse Islam with Christianity. Islam is antichrist. They are no better than atheist in sneekers. Like you guys they deny the diety of Jesus (Yeshua) by stating God did not have a Son that died on the cross for the sins of the world. Please do not compare us with them. There is nothing worth while in their book. If I had to rely on it I would be an atheist too.

And you believing in a God who set the conditions to have his son murdered when there was no need to is somehow better?

Seriously?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaQpRZJl...re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-91mSkxaXs

Join the line on the right. It is the one for those without morals who would try to profit from the murder of an innocent man while the guilty walk and while you completely ignor scriptures..

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Psalm 49:7
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

Regards
DL

[Cinjin]

Hey GI, please do not confuse Islam with Christianity. Islam is antichrist. They are no better than atheist in sneekers. Like you guys they deny the diety of Jesus (Yeshua) by stating God did not have a Son that died on the cross for the sins of the world. Please do not compare us with them. There is nothing worth while in their book. If I had to rely on it I would be an atheist too.

Arrogant and ignorant.

That little paragraph is exactly what they say about you and your bible... and it is YOU who are the infidel in their eyes. Also, they have a billion plus devotees as well, a really old book of ancient scribblings, miracles and the works ... so what makes them wrong and you right? I'll tell you what - the geographical location of your birth. THAT is all. If you were born in Pakistan pal ... you'd be praying to Allah right now.

sheep.

[Minimalist]

Hey GI, please do not confuse Islam with Christianity. Islam is antichrist.

Islam and xtianity are the same bullshit.

[ThomM]

Sorry - but both Satan and Jesus are fictional characters from fairy tales that cannot be true.

It is easy to falsify the christian religion - as deluded christians have done with other religions. Gods and other characters of religions are defined by the claims of the religions - and if the claims cannot be true - or contradict - then the religion is easily dismissed as the fraud created by humans too dumb to consider their claims.

First - ANY religion that claims its god is ALMIGHTY without limits is a fraud
When Luke says "Nothing is impossible with god" - that cannot be true. THe ability to do one thing or be one thing often prevents the ability to do or be the opposite. SO it is physically impossible for the god to be the largest and smallest thing - at the same time - for instance. THere are literally Millions of such impossibilities - that establish a claim of Almighty without limits to be impossible and the religions who claim it to be -nonsense. THAT eliminates judaism,islam, and christianity

Second - The christian religion claims its god is Omnicient for all time - ie - all knowing - past - present and future. THAT means that the ONLY thing that can happen for all time is what the god knows - and no one can do something that the god does not know, EVEN the god. THe most basic tenet to the christian religion is responsibility for out "FREE"choice of good or evil - however - if the god is omnicient - there was NO such choice possible - we could ONLY do what the god already supposedly knows - and we do not have the "FREEDOM" to choose the other option - because then the god would NOT be omnicient. FREEDOM of choice is NOT the existence of options - it is the right to FREELY choose among them. So - the most basic tenet to the religion is contradicted by a claim about the god. Either the god is omnicient OR we have freedom of choice - it cannot be both - making the religions a fraud again

Third - Of course - virtually nothing about the religion can be verified outside of the scripture of that religion. So - when the written scripture of that religion contains obvious and provable errors - then the rest of the book rests on it independent proof outside of the religion - which of course does not exist. WE already know that much of the old testament is fairy tales - certainly genesis does not accurately describe the universe as we know it - as well as having events that NEVER happened (like the great flood - which did not) - and of course there is NO place high enough on earth that you can climb to from which you can see all the kingdoms of the earth as it says in Matthew. OUr earth is a sphere and that is simply not a possibility at all.

Sorry - you are better off using the "golden rule" which first came in the Rig Veda - and was said by dozens of great men - long before humans hatched the christian nonsense. WE already know that prayer does not work - it has no effect better than chance. WE also know that it is non-theists who are more moral and ethical that theists are. Studies have shown that most claims of religions are nonsense
G

[Godscreated]

GIa, how is it that one person can become so confused about scripture, you do not understand the first thing about scripture, the first thing you need to do is learn to define who is in what position, the power they really have or do not have. The reference to Ezekiel, Psalm and John make absolutely no sense to your question, actually you are not making any sense about this at all.