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RE: Arguments against Deism and for religion.
November 10, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Quote:So I don't see how believing in God without a religion is not logical
But its rather pointless, is it not?
Quote:Deism Listeni/ˈdiːɪzəm/[1][2] in religious philosophy is the belief that reason and observation of the natural world, without the need for organized religion, can determine that the universe is the product of an all-powerful creator. According to deists, the creator does not intervene in human affairs or suspend the natural laws of the universe. Deists typically reject supernatural events such as prophecy and miracles, tending instead to assert that a god (or "the Supreme Architect") does not alter the universe by intervening in it. This idea is also known as the Clockwork universe theory, in which a god designs and builds the universe, but steps aside to let it run on its own. Two main forms of deism currently exist: classical deism and modern deism.
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I mean what is the benefit in proclaiming such a 'god?'
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RE: Arguments against Deism and for religion.
November 10, 2011 at 7:17 pm
(This post was last modified: November 10, 2011 at 7:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The first line of my (literate version) would be "None of this is a metaphor for anything, it means eactly what it says and says exactly what it means". The stick figure version would be difficult for that line, but I think it could be done.
Rhythm hath spokeneth.
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RE: Arguments against Deism and for religion.
November 10, 2011 at 7:23 pm
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I said these were strong arguments against deism. This is because I don't believe the counter arguments against them are all too strong. Just making it plausible, and giving us reasons perhaps why he would not send guidance. If I believed any of them were obvious and conclusive, then I wouldn't believe that these were strong arguments against deism.
The intuition of humans that believe in God is to be believe in religion.. Atheism is also the intuition after disbelieving in religions also because people expect God to have sent guidance.
I admit Deism is counter-intuitive. However that is why I believe you ought to search all religions and see if any of them are convincing before you are a deist.
All I was doing was giving an argument as to why deism can remain a logical position as opposed to either a religion or atheism.
I also believe the problem of suffering/evil is a strong argument and theodicy is a weak counter argument, but never the less, theodicy makes it not a illogical position to be agnostic or theist or deist.
Also, the arguments I made are not only arguments for deism, but can be arguments for agnostics towards God whom deny all religions to be true. If guidance must be sent if God existed and it was an obvious fact, then being agnostic (weak atheist) would be illogical if they believed all religions to be man made.
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RE: Arguments against Deism and for religion.
November 10, 2011 at 7:28 pm
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The deist god is one who appears exactly like no god at all. Nor is the deists god anything like any of the "gods" described by men before. One could call it a reaction to the ever decreasing domain of the divine. They don't put their chips in with obvious bullshit(debatable), but they haven't written off the notion entirely. That being said, I've only met one deist that made my skin crawl (on these forums no less). There was a moment in my life where I was very much trending towards deism, but ultimately, I couldn't take that final step and call the undefinable or the unknown "god".
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Arguments against Deism and for religion.
November 11, 2011 at 11:54 am
Don't get me wrong, Mystic. If I had to be marooned on a desert island with a theist I'd far someone who professed deism to any of the other horseshit.
At least the deist would help me build a boat rather than waste his/her time praying for 'god' to send one.
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RE: Arguments against Deism and for religion.
November 11, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Arguements against Deism and for religion. Hmmm, that's a good one.
Ok, religion gives some people a purpose, no matter how believable, where as diesm does not...... i guess.
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RE: Arguments against Deism and for religion.
March 11, 2016 at 7:17 pm
So we see Atheists here said:
(Min) Belief in God without religion is pointless.
(Rhythm) God appears exactly like no god at all in Deism.
(5thHorseman) There is no purpose and meaning to be given through Deism to people.
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RE: Arguments against Deism and for religion.
March 11, 2016 at 7:18 pm
I bumped it though because I wanted to refute my defense of Deism, which I will be doing.
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RE: Arguments against Deism and for religion.
March 11, 2016 at 10:24 pm
lets see.
make up the starting point ...
prove or disprove it.
never did like that.
engineering philosophy is so much more real.
anti-logical Fallacies of Ambiguity
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RE: Arguments against Deism and for religion.
March 12, 2016 at 3:16 am
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Theism is just deism with further claims.
You're saying you can't reasonably make some claims about "God" without making more claims as well?
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