Turkey's role in middle eastern politics

[kılıç_mehmet]

Perhaps that has something to do with "the imperialists" willingness/eagerness to kill you?

"Look at them cowering, they're speechless with love for us!"

What a fucking joke.

Hah. Eagerness? The christians had the best time of their miserable history within the empire. They were not even recruited into the army and were judged by their own respective laws and customs. They have piled up large amounts of cash, while the Turks were required to support the empire with their lives and belongings, whereas the non-turks were sometimes not even required to pay taxes or give soldiers, even if they were muslim(the case for kurds and arabs).
And now, look at them. They southern slavs and albanians have long murdered eachother, whereas the arabs are fragmented, struck with major internal strifes and war, with their natural resources siphoned by the nations of the west.

Yet, I have no sympathy, nor apathy towards them. They have decided to follow their own paths, and they are reaping what they have sown.

(BTW, have you ever considered how fantastically lucky you are that the US doesn't engage in policy that could be said to align itself with your fanatical nationalism? Maybe we don't want to have to live with a bunch of "Non-Americans", or "Non-whites" here on this rock. We, unlike you, have the weapons necessary to make good on that sort of desire. It only sounds pleasant if you imagine that you'll be part of the "in" crowd.)

Oh, really, what a luck! I really don't care if you don't want to live someone else on this rock. America has been humiliated so many times, I don't even remember if they won a war in any other way without actually dropping an a-bomb anywhere.
So go ahead, make my day.

By the way, I have no intention of actually wiping out anyone. Unless anyone strikes me, I would not strike back. This is the creed of anyone who adheres to our philosophy "eline, beline, diline hakim ol"
(watch your hand, waist, and tongue).

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Besides, you're not even an ethnicity. I don't know how any of you can claim to be "nationalistic" or whatever you want to call it.

[Jackalope]

America has been humiliated so many times, I don't even remember if they won a war in any other way without actually dropping an a-bomb anywhere.

Absolutely. History will note that the USA dropped the first A-bomb on Japan on August 6, 1945 - which naturally was the event which precipitated the surrender of Germany three months later on May 8, 1945.

[kılıç_mehmet]

But speaking of it, the US does not really aim to win a war.
It never did.

[Welsh cake]

So, how ironic is it that Turkey is now the most popular ass of the whole middle east?

Not in the recent heartbreaking tabloids. Not to this man in the link below. Turkey to him right now is anything but popular. The despicable Turkish court and authorities really fucked this poor man over:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-15862640

Do we gain even a drop of oil, even at the expense of our national pride?

I'm not proud to be British nor do I see why anyone else who hasn't already got an enormous ego should be.

Be happy to be a Turk, don't be proud. Pride is a vice not a verse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeWMtTDy8nI

[kılıç_mehmet]

Not in the recent heartbreaking tabloids. Not to this man in the link below. Turkey to him right now is anything but popular. The despicable Turkish court and authorities really fucked this poor man over:

I don't think you understand what I mean by popular. Not like in a positive way, but in a negative way, in that everyone tries to screw us over.
And to the story that you posted the courts have decided, quoting;

But he said a Turkish court had ruled the bodies should be transferred to the custody of their mother's relatives in Turkey.

It's sad, maybe that he didn't get a chance to look at them, but maybe the mother's relatives wanted their graves close to the place where they live in. It's not really a matter of courts or whatever. HE should go and settle this with the family if he wants to transfer the bodies of the children back to the UK.

Besides, courts nowadays are fucking over everyone. That guy is not an exception to anything.

I'm not proud to be British nor do I see why anyone else who hasn't already got an enormous ego should be.

Be happy to be a Turk, don't be proud. Pride is a vice not a verse.

It's not about my pride of being a Turk on an individual scale. I could have been born in Britain but still be proud of being a Turk.
This is about the national pride of our country.
We are being sold, and we are being played games upon.

[The Grand Nudger]

Hah. Eagerness? The christians had the best time of their miserable history within the empire. They were not even recruited into the army and were judged by their own respective laws and customs. They have piled up large amounts of cash, while the Turks were required to support the empire with their lives and belongings, whereas the non-turks were sometimes not even required to pay taxes or give soldiers, even if they were muslim(the case for kurds and arabs).
And now, look at them. They southern slavs and albanians have long murdered eachother, whereas the arabs are fragmented, struck with major internal strifes and war, with their natural resources siphoned by the nations of the west.

Yet, I have no sympathy, nor apathy towards them. They have decided to follow their own paths, and they are reaping what they have sown.

You're right. Conquered peoples are totally better off under the tender loving watch of their conquerors. So maybe you should stop complaining about the Arabs? You Turks were obviously better off when they were in charge. Look at you now, the "ass of the middle east".

Oh, really, what a luck! I really don't care if you don't want to live someone else on this rock. America has been humiliated so many times, I don't even remember if they won a war in any other way without actually dropping an a-bomb anywhere.
So go ahead, make my day.

Whats up, warrior cultures are awesome until they use nuclear weapons, then it's somehow less than palatable?

By the way, I have no intention of actually wiping out anyone. Unless anyone strikes me, I would not strike back. This is the creed of anyone who adheres to our philosophy "eline, beline, diline hakim ol"
(watch your hand, waist, and tongue).

Sounds like some pansy pacifist shit. I don't think you'd mesh well in a warrior culture.

Besides, you're not even an ethnicity. I don't know how any of you can claim to be "nationalistic" or whatever you want to call it.

Because nationality and ethnicity are decidedly different things.

[Shell B]

Our shortcomings had virtually no other impact on anyone else, but us.

You can't be serious.

[Welsh cake]

It's not really a matter of courts or whatever. HE should go and settle this with the family if he wants to transfer the bodies of the children back to the UK.

HE HAS (or should I say HAD) legal custody of them. They were abducted from him. His family appealed to the Turkish president earlier who was in Hampshire during a state visit, and he drove right past them. There's how well his notion of "politics" works over in the west...

It's not about my pride of being a Turk on an individual scale. I could have been born in Britain but still be proud of being a Turk.

I don't care much for your sense of "national identity" or anyone else's for that matter.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Our shortcomings had virtually no other impact on anyone else, but us.

You can't be serious.

I certainly am.

You're right. Conquered peoples are totally better off under the tender loving watch of their conquerors. So maybe you should stop complaining about the Arabs? You Turks were obviously better off when they were in charge. Look at you now, the "ass of the middle east".

The arabs were never really in charge of any Turkish nations. They only owned a couple of thousand of slaves as ghulams, who later took power.
That's it. And us being the ass of the middle east has to do with only a single thing. Politicians. If we would have continued the old ways of only having a Turk rule over the other, instead of allowing non-turks to masquarade themselves as Turks, we wouldn't be here.

Whats up, warrior cultures are awesome until they use nuclear weapons, then it's somehow less than palatable?

America and a warrior culture? Whatever "warrior culture" you have is simply due to the immigrants that bring it over to you. The rest of your culture is based on fulfilling selfish materialistic desires.

Sounds like some pansy pacifist shit. I don't think you'd mesh well in a warrior culture.

You'll see how well I fit in with the warrior culture when I hit the first pages on a newspaper.

Because nationality and ethnicity are decidedly different things.

In America, yes.
Not here, though, even though people have tried to make it as such, no one has accepted the name of "Turk" as a national thing but the Turks themselves.

HE HAS (or should I say HAD) legal custody of them. They were abducted from him. His family appealed to the Turkish president earlier who was in Hampshire during a state visit, and he drove right past them. There's how well his notion of "politics" works over in the west...

I've read that too. It's a family thing and...In Turkey such things happen too...Turks who are married to foreigners living in Turkey with children, mother decides that she doesn't want to live in Turkey anymore,and takes flight back to her european country of origin without warning.
And the father can't see the children even if they're alive and all, so what can you really expect?
And I am not sure what really appealing to the Turkish president will bring.
The courts have decided, and is the president above the court?
What do you think this country is? The law is above everyone.

I don't care much for your sense of "national identity" or anyone else's for that matter.

Well, you asked, I responded.

[Shell B]

Really, kilic? This is the second time I have had to link this in one of your threads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

What about the Arkadi Holocaust?