Why do you care?

[The Grand Nudger]

Did you really just register to a forum called Atheist Forums.....and then decide that a good question to ask would be "why do you care?". Why do you, why are you here? If it's so strange. Your apparent ignorance with regards to history gives me reason enough to care.

[Mister Agenda]

I, for one, don’t want to see the world turned into the old Soviet Union or 1950’s China. That’s why I’m opposed to it. And I don’t want to see individuals lead down a spiritually dead path. But I come in here for the stimulating conversation.

Maybe you should consider posting on a communist forum? And I see you've answered the thread: we're all here for the stimulating conversation.

It’s a warning, not a wish, and I didn’t invent Christianity. So, it’s not that you don’t agree with me; it’s that you don’t agree with Jesus Christ, and I happen to think the teachings of Jesus Christ are true.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but you're not Jesus Christ. Maybe you think you're qualified to pass judgement when he is silent, but in civil discourse you can't evade responsibility for your words because you're quoting someone else. Your words or someone else's, if you say it and maintain it's true, it's yours. And we've already heard the warning, you know that, so you know we've been warned, so there must be another reason to repeat it. I think the reason we hear it so much is because some Christians relish the idea that if we don't convert to their way of thinking, we'll suffer forever.

That’s not true. What do either one of those have to do with the evil you perceive in the world? Because you do realize you’re leaving out one other attribute: omniscience.

I left it out because it's irrelevant. If omniscience keeps God from achieving his goals without the existence of evil, then God is not omnipotent.

That wouldn’t be God, and we both know it. I have no doubt you’re right about the movement to tone down the omnipotence, but it doesn’t wash philosophically or logically given the definition of “God” with a capital “G.” And I must admit, I cringe whenever I hear Christians say that God did not invent evil, people did. Or that God is in a war with Satan and will eventually win. God created good and evil.

All I know about God is what I hear, and there seems to be a lot of disagreement on the matter. I take 'em as they come. I agree the description you give is pretty mainstream, and I think more Bible-based. However, I've read your work on another forum, and the defintion you propose there would be considered heretical by many Christians.

Atheism will eventually destroy any society in which it is allowed to reach a critical mass, if you will. I don’t know what percentage that would be, nor do I know how long it would take to, say, destroy English society. But it would. Once a society bases its laws on atheism, then only the powerful rule because they are powerful and that becomes dog-eat-dog. There is no stability, there is nothing but civil unrest.

So, there’s that.

Mere assertion. And since all societies can be divided into those that have been destroyed and those that haven't been destroyed yet, it's an unfalsifiable one.

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If we are right and I believe we are then what kind of people would we be by keeping to ourselves the love of God and the salvation He offers through His Christ and those who believe in Christ. Personally I'm glad christians took the time to share with me. I'm not concerned about you believing in religion, actually I would rather you not, christianity is not a religion it is being part of a family. This is from a person who has spent many years in the church and I know personally that most christians do not really hate atheist, they do not trust atheist because they do not know atheist, because you guys will not talk about your thoughts and reasoning. The distrust between both sides will never completely disappear but we could find better grounds to relate to each other on.

The thing is, before you can convince us God loves us, you have to convince us he exists. That's a rough row to hoe, because most of us have experienced many efforts to convince us that we didn't find convincing and your challenge is to come up with something more effective than anyone before you has.

I agree that the more people know about us, the fewer misconceptions there will be about us. We're making progress in that area. We're in kind of a Catch 22 right now: people are prejudiced against us because they don't know us, so if we're 'out' we're subject to prejudice, which discourages us from being open about our position. One of the purposes sites like this serve is to make us feel more comfortable about being open atheists. I'm one myself, although I don't go around telling everyone, I tell anyone who asks me the truth, I organize the local freethought society, my FB page has enough clues...but I have to admit, that I would probably set my FB page to private if I had to look for a new job.

[thesummerqueen]

Justristo, I think, posted something relevant to the conversation some weeks back in which a lecture was given about how Christians were supposed to spurn reason and logic. That alone refutes whatever you think Christianity "offers" the world.

[Mister Agenda]

Let me guess; you haven't actually spent a lot of time in a secular country

He used to live in the UK and thinks he didn't meet any atheists while he was there.

[Minimalist]

Kings kneel before it,

Really? Seems to me that xtians were complicit in the crimes of kings. Allying themselves with the power brokers to advance their own personal and institutional power and acquire wealth beyond mere human avarice. Kings used your stupid fucking religion to grant themselves a divine right to rule with the help of your godboy and his alleged "disciples."

It wasn't until the Enlightenment when we threw off the tyranny of religious fucktards like you.

[Cinjin]

Why do you care?? Really?!!? How stupid are you?

The same question could be asked of you ... Why the fuck are you here? Why do YOU care?

By the way, we care because your vile religion destroys families and steps all over our personal freedom. THAT is WHY we care. Got it?

If Christians kept their bull shit out of our daily lives (government, education, etc) we'd leave you all alone. Take a lesson from the Buddhists. They don't fuck with our lives - we don't give a shit about theirs. jesusfuckingchrist --- there's a slimey arrogant turd sneaking onto this forum every other god damn day.




Side note:
This sound clip is for both Egor and GChild

http://c3349161.r61.cf0.rackcdn.com/1108...20ffrf.mp3

It is said often that knowing JC as your personal savior brings true peace, "...a peace that passeth all understanding"
Horse shit. If that were true, we wouldn't be seeing dozens of decades-old pastors abandoning their faith.

[thesummerqueen]

This thread makes me want to go back on my decision not to make hand-bra photos.

[Minimalist]

This thread makes me want to go back on my decision not to make hand-bra photos.

Then it would be all worthwhile!

[thesummerqueen]

Min, sugar, I don't want to give you a heart attack. I quite like you.

[5thHorseman]

Kings kneel before it,

Really? Seems to me that xtians were complicit in the crimes of kings. Allying themselves with the power brokers to advance their own personal and institutional power and acquire wealth beyond mere human avarice. Kings used your stupid fucking religion to grant themselves a divine right to rule with the help of your godboy and his alleged "disciples."

It wasn't until the Enlightenment when we threw off the tyranny of religious fucktards like you.

Even upto the Bolshevik/Menshevik revolution, the Orthodox Church was a major player alongside the Tsarist regime, the power they have really pissed of the common people.

Putin and Medvedev are bringing it back little by little.