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Empirical evidence of the "Holy Spirit"
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I had evidence for the holy spirit but my stomach started hurting and I let got out my ass.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
 RE: Empirical evidence of the "Holy Spirit"
December 23, 2011 at 4:04 am
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2011 at 4:05 am by Barre.)
(December 10, 2011 at 8:20 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:(December 9, 2011 at 9:36 pm)Barre Wrote: How is the indwelling Jesus of Pauline theology empirically manifested? Paul would say that the "fruit of the Spirit" provides such. However, the so-called fruits of the Spirit are common human virtues-- (December 23, 2011 at 4:04 am)Barre Wrote: [quote='Norfolk And Chance' pid='214278' dateline='1323519608'] NO. Why? Because it's not real, Mr Pantheist. Hope that helps. Agreed. 
Exodus 3:14 - from there we go: I am, therefore god. Others have recognized Holy Spirit in me; ergo the only sane conclusion is that Holy Spirit is local to the identity. I am; or the coven. The church or the sect, all are a form of identity; and faith is nothing more than an investment of personal identity in an established branch of metaphysics. It is my lot to view existence in mathematical terms. With this, I would say that I am a complex number, with a real part and an imaginary part. The reality of the number i is to be a tool of utility. Such is my contention with my imaginary parts; thus I see them in scientific terms. Note this makes mine fringe science rather than pseudoscience. I have no will to manifest delusion, but rather remove delusion from the living science that is humanity.
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It's far more likely that you are a human being, and not a number, but whatever floats your boat.....
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
According to Christians an evidence that the Holy Spirit is in a person is if that person can speak in tongues (there is some controversy about this, many Christians can't speak in tongues). Despite the controversy, many Christians would agree that if a Christian can speak in tongues then that is outward evidence of the inward dwelling of the Holy Spirit.
That being said there is a scientist who has been studying the speaking in tongues. I can't find any links to it right now. The gist of his research does not point to anything supernatural but does show that a certain part of the brain is shut off when someone speaks in tongues (this is my recollection, it may have inaccuracies). What I find hilarious is the fact that I am clearly an apostate and I can still speak in tongues. Nothing has changed but my rejection of god and religion. Now, to totally screw with things, there are some Christians who believe that Satan worshipers also can speak in tongues. This brings up a long unanswered question of mine which is "if Satan worshipers can speak in tongues also how do you know if its the Holy Spirit is speaking through you or Satan?" The answer to this question is just about as varied as when I ask "what is the unforgivable sin." No one in 30 years has been able to answer this question adequately. Theoretically speaking, according to some theories, if I'm an apostate that can speak in tongues then it's not the Holy Spirit speaking through me anymore but the devil. I hate to break their bubble by saying this (wait, no, I do enjoy breaking their bubble) but I still use the same nonsense syllables as I did before. You explain this. For me, I will sit back and find the situation amusing, as for answers, I assume they lie in science.
I have studied the Bible and the theology behind Christianity for many years. I have been to many churches. I have walked the depth and the breadth of the religion and, as a result of this, I have a lot of bullshit to scrape off the bottom of my shoes. ~Ziploc Surprise
RE: Empirical evidence of the "Holy Spirit"
December 24, 2011 at 1:37 am
(This post was last modified: December 24, 2011 at 1:41 am by The Grand Nudger.)
"Samarin found that the resemblance to human language was merely on the surface, and so concluded that glossolalia is "only a facade of language". He reached this conclusion because the syllable string did not form words, the stream of speech was not internally organised, and– most importantly of all– there was no systematic relationship between units of speech and concepts. Humans use language to communicate, but glossolalia does not. Therefore he concluded that glossolalia is not "a specimen of human language because it is neither internally organized nor systematically related to the world man perceives". On the basis of his linguistic analysis, Samarin defined Pentecostal glossolalia as "meaningless but phonologically structured human utterance, believed by the speaker to be a real language but bearing no systematic resemblance to any natural language, living or dead".
My favorite though, from the same wiki...a really good wiki too, if you like this sort of thing. The reference list is huge "The material explanation arrived at by a number of studies is that glossolalia is "learned behavior". What is taught is the ability to produce language-like speech. This is only a partial explanation, but it is a part that has withstood much testing. It is possible to train novices to produce glossolalic speech. One experiment with 60 undergraduates found that 20% succeeded after merely listening to a 60-second sample, and 70% succeeded after training" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossolalia http://www.jstor.org/pss/1384556 (direct link)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
How dare you blaspheme the Holy Spirit!! Can't you tell when its the Holy Spirit revealing his awsome and mighty power?
No seriously, thanks for the links.
I have studied the Bible and the theology behind Christianity for many years. I have been to many churches. I have walked the depth and the breadth of the religion and, as a result of this, I have a lot of bullshit to scrape off the bottom of my shoes. ~Ziploc Surprise
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