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is collective prayer any more effective?
#41
RE: is collective prayer any more effective?
Nooooo don't mention mice you'll stop me sleeping. I had forgotten Panic
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#42
RE: is collective prayer any more effective?
(June 9, 2016 at 11:44 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Nooooo don't mention mice you'll stop me sleeping. I had forgotten Panic

Rats.

Sorry.
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#43
RE: is collective prayer any more effective?
(June 9, 2016 at 11:40 pm)Losty Wrote:
(June 9, 2016 at 7:34 pm)Sterben Wrote: It's similar to the suggestion box at work, you think your getting your ideas heard, but it is just a formality to the employees. At the end of the month they open it and have a good laugh at what the employees want. So, no, group prayer is not effective at at all. Your just wasting paper for others to laugh at you,

That's the best lmao

        I thought it was quite funny as well, I do hate it when people say "I'll pray for you". I said something along the lines to a person that said that to me. "Thank you, I'm sure the prayer box must be empty if your wasting one on me."
     “A man isn't tiny or giant enough to defeat anything” Yukio Mishima


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#44
RE: is collective prayer any more effective?
Back in the day when Sam and I were undergoing IVF treatment, we had a few religiously minded people congratulate us and say they'd pray for us.

When the first course didn't take, those exact same people told us how sorry they were, and said they'd pray for us.

That evening I decided I'd have a shit for them. At least I ended up with something I could call a result.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#46
RE: is collective prayer any more effective?
"I'll pray for you" = "I'll beg God not to be a cunt to you"
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#47
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But since God is a cunt, he will ignore the wishes anyway. So what has been accomplished? Sweet FA.
No God, No fear.
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#48
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God answers your prayer: what you wished for was God's will.

God doesn't answer your prayer: what you wished for was not God's will.

Either way, the result is God's will.

Your prayer was irrelevant.
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(June 10, 2016 at 8:05 am)robvalue Wrote: God answers your prayer: what you wished for was God's will.

God doesn't answer your prayer: what you wished for was not God's will.

Either way, the result is God's will.

Your prayer was irrelevant.

God has a plan, and knows what's best for you, so why brother praying in the first place?

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RE: is collective prayer any more effective?
(June 9, 2016 at 8:16 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Has anyone ever thought about prayer boxes? Does God not listen unless multiple people pester it about the exact same issue? Or is it that prayer is more effective if it's conducted by higher ranking Theists in the community? Very curious to hear the rationale.

We are told the prayer of a righteous man produces much.

But before you can just whether or not a prayer is answered or not you have to know the difference between petition and Prayer. Paul makes this distinction several times in his writtings and Jesus Himself Identifies prayer as conforming to a specific set of 'asks' and worship. This means asking for winning lottery tickets and or even things you think you need like a new car aren't 'prayer.' Why? because getting on your knees and starting with "dear God, or Our Father and ending with Amen" is not the qualifiers for a prayer. Those 'asks' identified outside of the Lord's prayer are examples of us petitioning God.

When we Pray for the things, the way Jesus told us to pray, God ALWAYS answers in the affirmative. even if it is not in a way we expect. Because in the end the net result will be the same. That said there isn't a mandate God puts on Himself recorded in the bible to answer petitions in our preferred way. Matter of fact I can almost always guarantee you that if your petitions to God or if trying to trade good behavior for 'stuff' whether alone or in a group exceed your actual prayers His answer will always be no.

Why? Because the goal to prayer is a relationship with Him First. Inorder to do that we must love the Lord God with all that we are. If we are petitioning and not praying that what we petition for comes before God. That thing becomes a wedge between you and Him... So then why would he give it to you?
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