(July 26, 2015 at 9:52 am)Rekeisha Wrote:

(July 25, 2015 at 2:05 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: Second rate attempt at philosophising your God into existance there mate. the convoluted logic really hurts my mind.

So you assume that it's impossinl to judge 'reality' without a deity to give you a benchmark, correct? Well, here I am, without a benchmark of an un-defined un-evidenced celestial being, and yet still making more sense than what you post above. You also don't seem to be able to reflect your criticse into yourself which would ultimately reveal the serious flaws in your reasoning, but whatever ^_^

You don't need to apologise to me mate.

My foundation in God is very reasinable

No it isn't. By definition belief in something that doesn't have ANY evidence to support it is unreasonable. Your belief is therefore the definition of unreasonable. Stop trying to assert otherwise, the only person fooled by it is you.

(July 26, 2015 at 9:52 am)Rekeisha Wrote: so reasonable that I have a base for which I know that I exisit but your foundation , which is only base in self, leads you to reasoning yourself out of existance.

Second rate philosophising doesn't win you any points.

(July 26, 2015 at 9:52 am)Rekeisha Wrote: Maybe you are having a difficult time with understanding my view point because of your refusal to remove yourself from the position God should have in your life.

Fuck you you cunt. Don't presume to tell me what I should believe based on your faulty and shitty reasoning ability.

Also, don't elevate yourself to a position where you feel as though you are being profound. You an idiot, and your posts are idiotic, your reasoning bizarre and convoluted, and logic non-existent. This is why nobody understands your points, not because your are privy to some esoteric language/knowledge that nobody else knows about.

(July 26, 2015 at 9:52 am)Rekeisha Wrote: You can know nothing without God and you have already admitted that you don't even know what is real. You need to stop supressing the knowledge of God in your life and pray that God would grant you repentance so that your soul can be saved and your reasoning with it.

Posts like yours take me from calm and nonchalant about the cheap tricks of theists to pissed off at the presumption of being able to tell others what they should do and believe.

Cheap proselytising tricks might work on other indoctrinated fools, but you ain't fooling anyone here. You want us to believe in your God? Give us evidence. Or better yet, tell it to come and talk to is itself instead of sending an incompetent mouthpiece.

Quote: You are refusing to see that two opposing argument that are only based on human perspective will negate themselves.

How so? Because they are not to your liking? Because someone told you that the bible was the word of god, and you just believed them without questioning it?

Quote:There is no foundation or authority to judge your morals so you only imagined its worth.

Again, actually, I can judge people. If someone shoots someone in the head, in front of their children, for no reason whatsoever, I can say that that person is an evil piece of garbage. We all can judge each other's morals and actions. This is becoming a broken record, why can't you see that people can have morals? Why is it so hard for you to see that, if someone walked up to one of your family members and shot them in the head, that you would think that this was wrong no matter what faith you belong to?

Quote:He is all good, loving, righteous, and just. He reveals Himself not just through the Bible but in all creation.

Care to prove that? If you have never seen god in your life, how can you possibly know what he looks like, or the nature of this being? Has god appeared to you personally, and spoke to you, and told you that the bible was the word of god? No? Then, you don't know if the bible is god's word; it's a matter of belief. One muslim believes he's talking to god, can feel his presence, and feels god is telling him that the koran is the word of god. This can be said about a christian, hindu, or whoever. I can't go by people's feelings, everyone gets these feelings, and everyone in these religions seems to say, "I know..I know..I know my god is the right god, I can feel him, seek him out, and you'll find the truth." Then, most of the time, what happens is, is that the person falls into the predominant religion in the area in which they live, and everyone shares in this mass delusion that they're in the correct religion, because they think they can feel their version of god along with everyone else. Until god cares about us enough to come down and appear to us all simultaneously, and actually tell us what is the right way to live, I'm not going to believe god came to 4,000 different people in private, and told them to make different religions. I'm not going to choose one religion over the another, because the odds are that I'm going to pick the wrong one, if there's even a right one, which I doubt. If the bible was true, you'd think it wouldn't be so easy to pick apart. There would be no denying the fact, that every event in that book, actually took place, but all we have is another story, which scholars argue over, and argue over the existence of this alleged savior. It doesn't sound like a rock-solid, true religion to me, sounds like another way to control people back in primitive times, and apparently today.

God allows 21,000 people to starve to death every day, maybe try explaining how that is all good, all loving, all righteous, and all just.

Quote:You should read the entire chapter from which you plucked that verse from because you would actually be able to see the full context of the law you quoted

I have. I can give a hundred more quotes that are as disgusting as that, but somehow you won't see how immoral they are, because you can't seem to get the broken record out of your head that the bible is god's word. Why don't you explain when god says that you are allowed to beat your slaves, and as long as they don't die within a day or two, he is his property, and there is no harm done? There really is no other context there, but go ahead and interpret that for me.

Quote:You need to stop supressing the nature of God and repent and seek him as your Lord and saviour.

I'm not going to adhere to your version of god. An all-loving god, would not write/inspire the bible, that should be quite obvious. There is too much evil in that book to even remotely ever consider myself a christian again.

(July 25, 2015 at 11:56 am)Rekeisha Wrote: Actually hitler based his thinking on social evolution and the teachings of Friedrich Nietzsche. He like Nietzsche was an atheist. The people allowed themselves to be blined by their own sinful desires and lack of biblical knowledge. There was a confessing church in Germany who did not align themselves with Hitler and fought back. You can read the biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer to get more information on that. It was not a belief or disbelief in God but a change life throught repentance and makeing Him your lord and savior that makes the difference.

The Nazi movement absolutely used Christianity as the face of their propaganda. Regardless of Hitler's influences from Nietzsche, there is no denying that he and the Nazis were using the Holly Bibble and its Gaud as a propaganda tool. Also, way to dodge everything else I said.

As I said, arguing about Hitler is beside the point. You just brought that out as an argument from emotion, and I addressed it to show that you can't even do that right. The fact that you chose to keep focusing on it and blatantly ignored the rest of my post may be evidence that you've got exactly shit to refute what I said.

When I met God I was not in some kind of hightened emotional state. I didn't even give Him any thought before I met Him. No one brought me to Christ no one told me the Bible was true. My family never sat down and read it together.

You may be right and I may be bad at this. I am only here because God does love you. Every single person. I don't know what your family taught you about God, but your idea about Him is wrong. He died for you and His ways may have been twisted by evil Men but that doesn't mean that is Him. I am not trying to get you to feel emotional there is too much evidence of the reality of God of the Bible. There is an obvious problem with the Human race and we are not our own solution. We as a race are not getting better. If there is ever a day you desire to be with God don't hesitate to seek after Him because He is the solution our problems.

(July 27, 2015 at 6:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: 1When I met God I was not in some kind of hightened emotional state. I didn't even give Him any thought before I met Him. No one brought me to Christ no one told me the Bible was true. My family never sat down and read it together.

You may be right and I may be bad at this. 2I am only here because God does love you. 3Every single person. 4I don't know what your family taught you about God, but your idea about Him is wrong. 5He died for you and His ways may have been twisted by evil Men but that doesn't mean that is Him.6I am not trying to get you to feel emotional there is too much evidence of the reality of God of the Bible. There is an obvious problem with the Human race and we are not our own solution. We as a race are not getting better. 7If there is ever a day you desire to be with God don't hesitate to seek after Him because He is the solution our problems.

You made 7 different claims, one of which that you believe "there is too much evidence of the reality of God of the Bible."

Unfortunately, you didn't provide evidence for ANY of your claims. And I wouldn't expect you to because it's simply non-existent.

So, what are you talking about?

(July 27, 2015 at 6:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: When I met God I was not in some kind of hightened emotional state.

You've MET god!! Wow! Finally after all these years they're going to add pages to the bible. You must be soo excited to get your meeting and the words that god spoke to you emblazoned in the bible. Was god still kinda quirky and refuse to allow you to see his face and only show his buttocks? Did god challenge you to a karate match or is he still into wrestling?

(July 27, 2015 at 6:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: I am only here because God does love you.

Actually, since we're atheists and deny the holy spirit, god hates us and won't forgive us according to the bible. God only loves people who believe in ridiculous fairy tales.

(July 27, 2015 at 6:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: He died for you and His ways may have been twisted by evil Men but that doesn't mean that is Him.

He didn't die for me, he died for himself because he couldn't forgive us without ridiculous ancient blood rituals. I would suggested that he just smoke a doobie and chill out. All he had to do to forgive us is just say "it's ok."  ---But to an ancient middle eastern goat herder making up these stories, that would lack drama.

(July 27, 2015 at 6:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: I am not trying to get you to feel emotional there is too much evidence of the reality of God of the Bible.

No there is not.

(July 27, 2015 at 6:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: We as a race are not getting better.

Getting "better"?? we evolve all the time, of course we're getting better. Better at survival to pass our genome on. The value judgment you're describing as "better" is just that, a value judgment from a delusional person who thinks he/she hears messages from a telepathic invisible god.

I'd be interested to know details about God also if people have actually met him.

(July 27, 2015 at 7:03 am)Nestor Wrote:

(July 27, 2015 at 6:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: 1When I met God I was not in some kind of hightened emotional state. I didn't even give Him any thought before I met Him. No one brought me to Christ no one told me the Bible was true. My family never sat down and read it together.

You may be right and I may be bad at this. 2I am only here because God does love you. 3Every single person. 4I don't know what your family taught you about God, but your idea about Him is wrong. 5He died for you and His ways may have been twisted by evil Men but that doesn't mean that is Him.6I am not trying to get you to feel emotional there is too much evidence of the reality of God of the Bible. There is an obvious problem with the Human race and we are not our own solution. We as a race are not getting better. 7If there is ever a day you desire to be with God don't hesitate to seek after Him because He is the solution our problems.

You made 7 different claims, one of which that you believe "there is too much evidence of the reality of God of the Bible."

Unfortunately, you didn't provide evidence for ANY of your claims. And I wouldn't expect you to because it's simply non-existent.

So, what are you talking about?

What does my opinion on your position have to do with the statment above?
What would you need to believe my statments?

(July 27, 2015 at 7:34 am)Brakeman Wrote:

(July 27, 2015 at 6:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: When I met God I was not in some kind of hightened emotional state.

You've MET god!! Wow! Finally after all these years they're going to add pages to the bible. You must be soo excited to get your meeting and the words that god spoke to you emblazoned in the bible. Was god still kinda quirky and refuse to allow you to see his face and only show his buttocks? Did god challenge you to a karate match or is he still into wrestling?

(July 27, 2015 at 6:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: I am only here because God does love you.

Actually, since we're atheists and deny the holy spirit, god hates us and won't forgive us according to the bible. God only loves people who believe in ridiculous fairy tales.

(July 27, 2015 at 6:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: He died for you and His ways may have been twisted by evil Men but that doesn't mean that is Him.

He didn't die for me, he died for himself because he couldn't forgive us without ridiculous ancient blood rituals. I would suggested that he just smoke a doobie and chill out. All he had to do to forgive us is just say "it's ok."  ---But to an ancient middle eastern goat herder making up these stories, that would lack drama.

(July 27, 2015 at 6:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: I am not trying to get you to feel emotional there is too much evidence of the reality of God of the Bible.

No there is not.

(July 27, 2015 at 6:54 am)Rekeisha Wrote: We as a race are not getting better.

Getting "better"?? we evolve all the time, of course we're getting better. Better at survival to pass our genome on. The value judgment you're describing as "better" is just that, a value judgment from a delusional person who thinks he/she hears messages from a telepathic invisible god.

Have you read the entire bible?
That is a good question on what I mean by better. I mean in our social, moral, and cognative development. In the 20th century the human race killed more people than any century in the past. We may be more technology advanced but we still don't love each other and in some instances we seem to be getting dumber and unwilling to think. We are hateful and treat each other as objects to be used. We are self-centered and we know that we have a problem but no amount of work we do will fix us. We are moraly corrupt.

Also that we may be on the same page what do you mean by evolution? So how are we evolving today? What mutation was benificial to our development? Which sex came first in our evolution? Did we develope a heart or brain first? How did we get the lungs we have?

(July 27, 2015 at 8:28 am)robvalue Wrote: I'd be interested to know details about God also if people have actually met him.

Are you interested in knowing about God or the people who say they know God or the things that people say about God?