(July 28, 2015 at 11:49 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: I have to disagree with you about thought crimes not being real things.  They certainly are in America.  That's why we have a whole book of things called "hate crimes" and "conspiracies".  Heck, every conceivable act known to man has been is, or will be illegal somewhere in America.  It's bad enough to do the actual deed but if they say you had some unapproved thoughts while committing the deeds they throw an additional punishment at you.

Conspiracy isn't exactly a thought crime, as it requires action. Are you maybe conflating it with pre-meditation? To conspire is to get together with others and plan something, is it not? For a group to plan, they have to communicate somehow, maybe even meet...the only way it would be thought crime is if telepathy were used as a means of communication.

Hate crime isn't exactly a thought crime either; while there is an element of intent involved, there generally has to be another crime involved. Hatred itself is not a crime, legally speaking.

(July 29, 2015 at 12:01 am)Godschild Wrote:

(July 28, 2015 at 6:59 pm)KUSA Wrote: Answer me this Drippy.

If one man lusted after your wife but kept it to himself and another man raped the shit out of your wife, would you feel the same towards either man?

Listen closely all of you, Drich is saying the punishment is the same for all unforgiven sexual sin, death. Drich like myself are not God and we would be more effected about the rape of our wives. He wasn't ever talking about man and the differences in sexual sin, he was speaking of God's judgement on those who are guilty.

GC

First, I find it interesting how you always claim to speak for others, whether it's your god or a completely vile person like Drich. You should try speaking only for your own loathsome state.

Second: the fact that you could worship a god who thinks that lust equals rape, whether in act or punishment, tells me more about you than your god.

Fucking disgusting.

(July 29, 2015 at 12:14 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(July 28, 2015 at 11:49 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: I have to disagree with you about thought crimes not being real things.  They certainly are in America.  That's why we have a whole book of things called "hate crimes" and "conspiracies".  Heck, every conceivable act known to man has been is, or will be illegal somewhere in America.  It's bad enough to do the actual deed but if they say you had some unapproved thoughts while committing the deeds they throw an additional punishment at you.

Conspiracy isn't exactly a thought crime, as it requires action. Are you maybe conflating it with pre-meditation? To conspire is to get together with others and plan something, is it not? For a group to plan, they have to communicate somehow, maybe even meet...the only way it would be thought crime is if telepathy were used as a means of communication.

Hate crime isn't exactly a thought crime either; while there is an element of intent involved, there generally has to be another crime involved. Hatred itself is not a crime, legally speaking.

Well, that's what I wrote.   You can do a routine murder and just be charged with a routine murder charge.  But if you verbalize a level of hatred toward the victim they charge you with murder plus a hate crime, although the verbalization had nothing to do with the victim's death.  

Likewise if you get together with someone else and devise a plan for commiting an action they will charge you with conspiracy even though you never acted on the action.  

So hate crimes and conspiracy charges are just BS charges intended to add extra punishment when they had no actual harmful effect on the victim, if there was one.  It's just an application of what Jesus said in Matthew 5:21-22 and Matthew 5:28.

(July 29, 2015 at 12:01 am)Godschild Wrote: Listen closely all of you, Drich is saying the punishment is the same for all unforgiven sexual sin, death. Drich like myself are not God and we would be more effected about the rape of our wives. He wasn't ever talking about man and the differences in sexual sin, he was speaking of God's judgement on those who are guilty.

Your going to have to explain 'the rape of our wives' thing. Must be a personal fantasy, because I'm quite certain nobody here has intimated the same.

(July 29, 2015 at 12:48 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Well, that's what I wrote.   You can do a routine murder and just be charged with a routine murder charge.  But if you verbalize a level of hatred toward the victim they charge you with murder plus a hate crime, although the verbalization had nothing to do with the victim's death.  

Likewise if you get together with someone else and devise a plan for commiting an action they will charge you with conspiracy even though you never acted on the action.  

So hate crimes and conspiracy charges are just BS charges intended to add extra punishment when they had no actual harmful effect on the victim, if there was one.  It's just an application of what Jesus said in Matthew 5:21-22 and Matthew 5:28.

Humans definitely do not have thought crimes in the same sense that the Bible does. For that brand of thought crime, someone has to literally read your mind, and the thought itself is the primary crime.

With both hate crime and conspiracy, some kind of provable, outward action has to occur. Neither is an actual thought crime, at least not in the sense I'm using the term. No human can punish you for your actual thoughts unless you somehow make them known, and to my knowledge there is no secular law that punishes a thought and nothing else.

(July 28, 2015 at 1:46 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I've got your big giant porky right here.

Fuckin' Vorlon. Do it to it.

(July 28, 2015 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 28, 2015 at 5:07 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Can someone please rank the seriousness of various sins from head-chopping felonies to light community service?  Is eating shellfish more serious than gay sex?  Is failure to get baptized more serious than mass murder?  If you pray in public will you go to hell?  If you aren't an eunuch for the kingdom of heaven's sake will you end up in the lake of fire?  If you help a widow younger than 60 how long will you spend in hell?

It simple, wyrd. All sin has been elevated to death penality offenses.

Original sin gave all humans the death penalty, yes. Sucks to be a believer.

What the fuck am I reading this morning?

Lustful thoughts are as bad as rape?

That is one of the stupidest and most morally corrupt things I've ever heard. Drich has actually found a way to be more immoral than the bible, at least in one regard. I didn't realized it was a competition.

lol, Drich has been hittin' the sauce again.

Yes, it's official Rob.
Drich has God's full exclusive endorsement to make known the other 9 lost volumes of the bible.