(July 29, 2015 at 9:36 am)lkingpinl Wrote: Here is my list on the level of "certainty"

100%
My parents
My home town
Australia
Other Galaxies

95%
God of the Bible
Giant Squid
Man-made Global Warming

0%
Alien Life
Sentient Alien Life
UFO encounters (as in spaceships piloted by sentient aliens)
Ghosts

This looks like fun.  I'll give it a go too.

100%
My wife & dog
My stepson
California
Other Galaxies

95%
God of the Bible in an as-if, psychological sense
Giant Squid
Man-made Global Warming

55%
Alien Life
Sentient Alien Life

0.1%
UFO encounters (as in spaceships piloted by sentient aliens)
Ghosts

0%
God of the Bible (and all other claimants to the throne) in any literal sense

(July 29, 2015 at 3:46 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: Godschild, what I'm saying is you need to be careful of your wording.  You state you are 100% certain of knowing something that is not empirically verifiable.  I think it safer to say you are 100% CONFIDENT in his existence, but that is different than KNOWING.  I too am confident that the God of the Bible is real and have seen the evidence in history, morality, the universe and in my life and in others in order to be persuaded enough to have faith in Him.  But I cannot make that statement that I KNOW, because to know something requires "special knowledge".  Knowledge comes from the greek "gnosis" meaning experiential knowledge or applied knowledge in personal experiences.  In modern times, "knowledge" needs to be testable, empirically verifiable.  Personal knowledge is not verifiable, so when you say you "know" something with 100% certainty, people will want proof.  But you cannot prove to others using personal experiences as evidence.

I said 100% knowing and that's what I mean, I'm sorry if you haven't come far enough along to understand that one can know. God doesn't work with empirical proof, He works through a personal relationship. I do not need to prove to anyone that God's real, I couldn't even do it for myself, that's God's work and I've allowed Him to work in my life to prove He's real. So you can quit saying I am mistaken, it's you who have mistaken what the world demands and what God will do. You speak of experiential knowledge, that's exactly how I know because I have a living relationship with God this is in all reality experiential. I do not and have never used my personal relationship as proof to the world, I'm not stupid I know what is worldly proof, as I said earlier it's God who brings the proof you have to want it and that takes dedication.

GC

(July 29, 2015 at 3:50 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:

(July 29, 2015 at 3:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: lkingpinl, I have another question for you. What will you do when you die and find yourself before another god and not the God of creation, with the way you think it's a possibility and that possibility could lead to many horrors. So how do you know you'll come before the God of creation instead of another god that will use you as a toy.

GC

So how many gods exist in your world exactly GC?

The God of creation and no other, at times I make something a god but it's not truly a god only something I've put before God.

GC

(July 29, 2015 at 3:57 pm)FreeTony Wrote:

(July 29, 2015 at 3:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do not need to do the same, it's a personal relationship and God has given me plenty of evidence, why, because I searched and watched God work in my life to leave no doubt. I'm 100% sure, sorry if you can't accept this, it's not my fault. the fault is with you. I feel sorry for your parents by the way.

GC

I have more evidence of my parents existence, and have a personal relationship with them. I still don't claim to know 100% they exist.

You and I can't rule out, amongst others:
We are just a brain in a vat/the Matrix etc
Your/my brain is faulty and/or these are false sensations/memories

You may claim to have 100% certainty, but this is a mistake you are making as you cannot know for certain anything at all.

Sure I can, I'm not unrealistic as you seem to be. Live in a vat if that's what pleases you but it does leave you out of reality, now I feel sorry for you.

GC

(July 29, 2015 at 4:26 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(July 29, 2015 at 3:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: You haven't the ability to understand a Christian debate, put away the popcorn and do something constructive.

GC

And something to wash it down with   

Dude, I was a Christian for nearly 30 years. A smart one. If I really wanted to scare everyone, I could turn coat right now and argue from virtually any slant of Christian apologetics you could name (from Catholic to Calvinist all the way out to heretical shit like Mormonism). I used to use (alleged) Quantum mechanics in conjunction with scripture to validate my belief in the inerrancy of scripture. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Sure I do, I do not need quantum mechanics or anything else for proof of God's existence, I have done what scriptures teach, allowed God to prove Himself to me, this was something you over looked back when. You tried on your own to prove God and the scriptures, when only God can do that. Again you only thought you were a Christian for 30 years, if you had truly known God you couldn't deny Him now, that's an impossibility. 

GC

(July 29, 2015 at 5:34 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 29, 2015 at 3:50 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: So how many gods exist in your world exactly GC?

The God of creation and no other, at times I make something a god but it's not truly a god only something I've put before God.

GC

Could you put that in human speak please.

(July 29, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 29, 2015 at 3:57 pm)FreeTony Wrote: I have more evidence of my parents existence, and have a personal relationship with them. I still don't claim to know 100% they exist.

You and I can't rule out, amongst others:
We are just a brain in a vat/the Matrix etc
Your/my brain is faulty and/or these are false sensations/memories

You may claim to have 100% certainty, but this is a mistake you are making as you cannot know for certain anything at all.

Sure I can, I'm not unrealistic as you seem to be. Live in a vat if that's what pleases you but it does leave you out of reality, now I feel sorry for you.

GC

It's called solipsism, you simple sap.  It's essentially an epistemological thought experiment that can't really be disproven, but no one (aside from psychotics, perhaps) actually live as though they believe it.

(July 29, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: Sure I can, I'm not unrealistic as you seem to be. Live in a vat if that's what pleases you but it does leave you out of reality, now I feel sorry for you.

GC

You cannot, but I get the feeling you are either trolling, or are too stupid to realise why this is the case.

(July 29, 2015 at 5:55 pm)FreeTony Wrote:

(July 29, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: Sure I can, I'm not unrealistic as you seem to be. Live in a vat if that's what pleases you but it does leave you out of reality, now I feel sorry for you.

GC

You cannot, but I get the feeling you are either trolling, or are too stupid to realise why this is the case.

I don't subscribe to your world view, it's simple as that.

GC

(July 29, 2015 at 5:53 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(July 29, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: Sure I can, I'm not unrealistic as you seem to be. Live in a vat if that's what pleases you but it does leave you out of reality, now I feel sorry for you.

GC

It's called solipsism, you simple sap.  It's essentially an epistemological thought experiment that can't really be disproven, but no one (aside from psychotics, perhaps) actually live as though they believe it.

 I don't subscribe to your delusion, it's simple as that.

GC