Quote:Do you have any idea why He doesn't send DVDs or MP3s?

Because the Jews would hit him up for royalties or sue his holy ass for copyright infringement.

(July 31, 2015 at 9:46 pm)JuliaL Wrote:

(July 31, 2015 at 8:14 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Not really, I've discussed logical reasons in other threads that make it obvious to me that God would reveal books, and send Messengers.

My bold.

Do you have any idea why He doesn't send DVDs or MP3s?
Did He get tired?
Perhaps can't handle the tech?
If his 7th century .txt ramblings were perfect, should we give up all this newfangled internet stuff and go back to animal skins and ink?

What's your argument exactly?  If you mean to say the argument that he would send books implies he should send DVDs or MP3s, I would say that is non-sequitur.  He sends his revelations through a trusted Messenger and tests his creation by making his exalted ones the means and road towards himself.

(July 31, 2015 at 9:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Do you have any idea why He doesn't send DVDs or MP3s?

Because the Jews would hit him up for royalties or sue his holy ass for copyright infringement.

That strategy has difficulties:

Quote:The simplistic style is partly explained by the fact that its editors, having to meet a publishing deadline, copied the information off the back of a packet of breakfast cereal, hastily embroidering it with a few foot notes in order to avoid prosecution under the incomprehensibly torturous Galactic Copyright Laws. It’s interesting to note that a later and wilier editor sent the book backwards in time, through a temporal warp, and then successfully sued the breakfast cereal company for infringement of the same laws.

Substitute: "The Jews" for "breakfast cereal company"

(July 31, 2015 at 9:54 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

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(July 31, 2015 at 9:46 pm)JuliaL Wrote: My bold.

Do you have any idea why He doesn't send DVDs or MP3s?
Did He get tired?
Perhaps can't handle the tech?
If his 7th century .txt ramblings were perfect, should we give up all this newfangled internet stuff and go back to animal skins and ink?

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What's your argument exactly?  If you mean to say the argument that he would send books implies he should send DVDs or MP3s, I would say that is non-sequitur.  He sends his revelations through a trusted Messenger and tests his creation by making his exalted ones the means and road towards himself.

The argument is that the Abrahamic god is indistinguishable from a fairy tale produced by a primitive, tribal people.

It would be evidence of His existence and omnipotence were He to offer something a little more current.

The fact that no such evidence is ever produced suggests that the null hypothesis of non-existence is accurate.

Are there any  current exalted ones?  Who are they?

Edited this post into previous post because I can't delete it.

(July 31, 2015 at 8:44 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(July 31, 2015 at 8:31 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: Convinced (I'm going to assume, correct me if I'm wrong) by an entire childhood of being called Muslim by parents who decided that for him before he was born, and surrounded by other Muslims. By chance though Islam is the religion that feels right to him, what a nice coincidence.

I was non-Muslim for 5 years, it's been less then a year I've been Muslim again.

Yes. And I was an atheist for more than 10 before I became a Christian again. I'm quite sure familiarity with our respective cultures play a very large role in our choices.

(July 31, 2015 at 9:55 pm)JuliaL Wrote: The argument is that the Abrahamic god is indistinguishable from a fairy tale produced by a primitive, tribal people.

Why is that?

Quote:It would be evidence of His existence and omnipotence were He to offer something a little more current

That would be true, but if knowledge of his existence exists anyways and proof of his religion exists, for sincere seekers of the truth, it would be redundant. And what would convince a generation to follow of the more current revelation being true?  It would be the content right? It would be due to it being something out of capability of mortals. But this is true regarding Quran anyways.

Quote:The fact that no such evidence is ever produced suggests that the null hypothesis of non-existence is accurate.

Why is that? If you don't believe God is the Lord of the worlds, you will more likely believe it was revealed by aliens trying to control us. All miracles wouldn't be proof for an Atheist of God doing it anymore then highly advanced aliens.  It takes the belief of God being the Lord of the worlds and his lordship, to believe in miracles supporting messengers. 

Quote:Are there any  current exalted ones?  Who are they?

Currently on earth, there is Imam Mahdi (the 12th Imam), Khidr and Elyas. Not dead yet as well are Idris and Isa (Jesus) but they currently reside in a higher realm.

(July 31, 2015 at 10:13 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(July 31, 2015 at 8:44 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I was non-Muslim for 5 years, it's been less then a year I've been Muslim again.

Yes. And I was an atheist for more than 10 before I became a Christian again. I'm quite sure familiarity with our respective cultures play a very large role in our choices.

What are your rational reasons for believing in Christianity? I've discussed mine with Islam. I don't know of yours. If you have none, then it probably is due largely to culture.

Of course it has to do with familiarity. Yknow when I first left Catholicism I actually had a very brief phase of being interested in Paganism. If I'm gonna be completely honest in hindsight, I wasn't interested in Paganism because it seemed "logical". I was interested in it purely because I was curious about European culture that came before Christianity, and felt connection to it as a European. Had I been raised in Africa I'd know nothing of the Pagan religions and would never have had this phase.

I'm also interested to hear exactly how you think Islam is "logical" or "rational" - don't just tell me "it seems logical", that tells us nothing, how is it logical? The details.

(July 31, 2015 at 10:22 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I'm also interested to hear exactly how you think Islam is "logical" or "rational" - don't just tell me "it seems logical", that tells us nothing, how is it logical? The details.

I've made brief summaries of arguments and proofs here, although, you are right, I haven't gone to the details of it.  I can make a new thread about the details of each argument I presented in this thread.  I've also made threads about the general argument for religion/divine books/divine messengers/divine guides.

(July 31, 2015 at 9:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: That's your assumption.  One reason I was hesitant to become Muslim again, is because I felt I had a bias towards it.  So I felt do I want to believe in it because I was born into it.  And this prevented me from becoming Muslim for a while (even having solved the issues of Quran). However, rational reasons lead me back to this religion.

Right. I'm sure living somewhere where lunatics are encouraged to bury you up to the shoulders and then throw stones at what remains for the slightest perceived transgression had nothing to do with it.