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(August 8, 2015 at 5:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I wouldn't do it. If God told me to do those things, then He wouldn't be the God I thought I believed in.
People do those things because other people tell them to do them. So you can bet that if some real God character showed up and told you to get busy doing as he says that's exactly what you would do.
I disagree.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
(July 17, 2015 at 10:42 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: This is too the Christians out there. If God suddenly and with absolute certainty it was him came and told all Christians you must steal, rape, and murder and to not do so was a punishable sin what would you do?
I know you asked Christians, but I think there are verses about this topic:
وَلَوْ أَنَّا كَتَبْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ أَنِ اقْتُلُوا أَنْفُسَكُمْ أَوِ اخْرُجُوا مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ مَا فَعَلُوهُ إِلَّا قَلِيلٌ مِنْهُمْ ۖ وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ فَعَلُوا مَا يُوعَظُونَ بِهِ لَكَانَ خَيْرًا لَهُمْ وَأَشَدَّ تَثْبِيتًا{66} [Shakir 4:66] And if We had prescribed for them: Lay down your lives or go forth from your homes, they would not have done it except a few of them; and if they had done what they were admonished, it would have certainly been better for them and best in strengthening (them); [Pickthal 4:66] And if We had decreed for them: Lay down your lives or go forth from your dwellings, but few of them would have done it; though if they did what they are exhorted to do it would be better for them, and more strengthening; [Yusufali 4:66] If We had ordered them to sacrifice their lives or to leave their homes, very few of them would have done it: But if they had done what they were (actually) told, it would have been best for them, and would have gone farthest to strengthen their (faith); وَإِذًا لَآتَيْنَاهُمْ مِنْ لَدُنَّا أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا {67} [Shakir 4:67] And then We would certainly have given them from Ourselves a great reward. [Pickthal 4:67] And then We should bestow upon them from Our presence an immense reward, [Yusufali 4:67] And We should then have given them from our presence a great reward; وَلَهَدَيْنَاهُمْ صِرَاطًا مُسْتَقِيمًا {68} [Shakir 4:68] And We would certainly have guided them in the right path. [Pickthal 4:68] And should guide them unto a straight path. [Yusufali 4:68] And We should have shown them the Straight Way. وَمَنْ يُطِعِ اللَّهَ وَالرَّسُولَ فَأُولَٰئِكَ مَعَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمْ مِنَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَالصِّدِّيقِينَ وَالشُّهَدَاءِ وَالصَّالِحِينَ ۚ وَحَسُنَ أُولَٰئِكَ رَفِيقًا {69} [Shakir 4:69] And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger, these are with those upon whom Allah has bestowed favors from among the prophets and the truthful and the martyrs and the good, and a goodly company are they! [Pickthal 4:69] Whoso obeyeth Allah and the messenger, they are with those unto whom Allah hath shown favour, of the prophets and the saints and the martyrs and the righteous. The best of company are they! [Yusufali 4:69] All who obey Allah and the messenger are in the company of those on whom is the Grace of Allah,- of the prophets (who teach), the sincere (lovers of Truth), the witnesses (who testify), and the Righteous (who do good): Ah! what a beautiful fellowship!
Although this is not something God would command, had he commanded people to kill their own selves (suicide) or to all leave their homes, it would be better for them to obey God then not to obey him. This shows death in obedience to God or homelessness in obedience to God is better then living in disobedience, and the fact that obeying God trumps everything.
Although this is true, God knows most humans would not obey him had he written such a thing, but it would of been better for them never the less to do so had he ordered them to do so.
(August 8, 2015 at 10:10 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: People do those things because other people tell them to do them. So you can bet that if some real God character showed up and told you to get busy doing as he says that's exactly what you would do.
I disagree.
You are lucky that all gods are imaginary or you would be one busy minion.
When Jesus returns he's going to need some minions to toss unbelievers into the fire. Since you said that you believe in Jesus you can do that for him. John 15:6.
(August 8, 2015 at 10:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I disagree.
You are lucky that all gods are imaginary or you would be one busy minion.
When Jesus returns he's going to need some minions to toss unbelievers into the fire. Since you said that you believe in Jesus you can do that for him. John 15:6.
Haha. Alright, alright... interesting.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
(August 8, 2015 at 10:34 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: You are lucky that all gods are imaginary or you would be one busy minion.
When Jesus returns he's going to need some minions to toss unbelievers into the fire. Since you said that you believe in Jesus you can do that for him. John 15:6.
Haha. Alright, alright... interesting.
Remember, when Jesus returns his minions torture and kill people. Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet take the side of humanity and try to stop Jesus and his angels from killing all life and destroying the Earth. The fairy tale says that they fail. As a consequence all of humanity is exterminated and most of it gets tossed into the lake of fire. The only ones who get into the gaudy bejeweled golden cube are members of the twelve tribes of Israel and only if they pass the entrance exam. So if you aren't a member of the club too bad, so sad. And if you are a member you will be busy killing off everyone else.
Remember, when Jesus returns his minions torture and kill people. Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet take the side of humanity and try to stop Jesus and his angels from killing all life and destroying the Earth. The fairy tale says that they fail. As a consequence all of humanity is exterminated and most of it gets tossed into the lake of fire. The only ones who get into the gaudy bejeweled golden cube are members of the twelve tribes of Israel and only if they pass the entrance exam. So if you aren't a member of the club too bad, so sad. And if you are a member you will be busy killing off everyone else.
I hear ya, Wyrd.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
(August 8, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Not in my taste, mind you, but not all that different from the jokes some people here make about Christians, either.
Really. Like what?
I haven't noticed any jokes about mass murdering christians. Sentiments of that kind usually result in general contempt for the author of the remark. What is it that we say that is not all that different from threats of mass murder?
(August 8, 2015 at 5:55 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Really. Like what?
I haven't noticed any jokes about mass murdering christians. Sentiments of that kind usually result in general contempt for the author of the remark. What is it that we say that is not all that different from threats of mass murder?
I recall seeing something about a bomb some time ago. Don't remember exactly what the comment was though. I try to look away when I see really hostile posts directed at my people, if you will.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
(August 8, 2015 at 5:55 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Really. Like what?
I haven't noticed any jokes about mass murdering christians. Sentiments of that kind usually result in general contempt for the author of the remark. What is it that we say that is not all that different from threats of mass murder?
Would you condone the mass killing of known and active Isis members in your community if that decision was left up to you?
Now what is the difference? Society identifies them as a threat, how long before society identifies certain ideals a 'threat'. One on the level as an active military combatant? All societies have done this in the past including here in America with the Indians. It all depends on what the society you live in says you must do to maintain your particular way of life.
You haven't turned on Christianity because the majority says (for now) is not ok.
To answer the speculation of my fellow brothers and sisters I was not jokeing, well maybe hunting the members of this site down specifically, but I am willing to follow God any where he leads. Why? Because I worship him and not an ideology or particular sect of religion.
That said, know God has not changed and calls us to love and forgive rather than rape and kill.
On the other side of the coin, societies change all the time. People are killed and victimized by what pop culture says and thinks about them all the time. Sometimes wild swings about a given people can happen in a given life time. Look at the U.S.'s Relationship with Israel. We went from spear heading their restoration and preservation/salvation from genocide, to providing its primary enemy's with the means to wipe every Jew in Israel off the planet.
What do we get? Cheap oil, which will result of n more higher fuel taxes.
I haven't noticed any jokes about mass murdering christians. Sentiments of that kind usually result in general contempt for the author of the remark. What is it that we say that is not all that different from threats of mass murder?
Would you condone the mass killing of known and active Isis members in your community if that decision was left up to you?
Now what is the difference? Society identifies them as a threat, how long before society identifies certain ideals a 'threat'. One on the level as an active military combatant? All societies have done this in the past including here in America with the Indians. It all depends on what the society you live in says you must do to maintain your particular way of life.
You haven't turned on Christianity because the majority says (for now) is not ok.
To answer the speculation of my fellow brothers and sisters I was not jokeing, well maybe hunting the members of this site down specifically, but I am willing to follow God any where he leads. Why? Because I worship him and not an ideology or particular sect of religion.
That said, know God has not changed and calls us to love and forgive rather than rape and kill.
On the other side of the coin, societies change all the time. People are killed and victimized by what pop culture says and thinks about them all the time. Sometimes wild swings about a given people can happen in a given life time. Look at the U.S.'s Relationship with Israel. We went from spear heading their restoration and preservation/salvation from genocide, to providing its primary enemy's with the means to wipe every Jew in Israel off the planet.
What do we get? Cheap oil, which will result of n more higher fuel taxes.
Just to clarify, as I am not sure I understand correctly. Are you saying that you were completely serious about raping and killing the atheist members of this board?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
