(November 2, 2010 at 7:56 pm)solja247 Wrote: Give up! You will never convince them!
As a fellow Adventist, the theory is if you get rid of creation, you get rid of the Sabbath and that could never happen. So instead of people thinking for themselves they argue in circles using the Bible and EGW writings.

Why do you need a bullshit story for an excuse to take a day off and sit on the couch scratching your ass?

I'm retired. That's pretty much every day, Summer.

(November 2, 2010 at 9:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I'm retired. That's pretty much every day, Summer.

THAT'S an image I needed before sleeping...

(November 2, 2010 at 9:09 am)tavarish Wrote:

(November 1, 2010 at 3:51 pm)cookies4life Wrote: Now I would really be interested if you guys could sort of prove me or at least give good evidence that the earth is for sure older than 6000 years

Read up.

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-index.html

Yes, I was hoping to post it, but damned if you didn't beat me to it. Really, how else do you respond to such a broad statement?

(November 2, 2010 at 12:02 pm)Chuck Wrote: And Noah of the flood had way too much of it when he was recounting the tale of the "flood".

I take it that you were aware that the first noteworthy thing Noah was said to have done after disembarking was to strip and get colossally drunk?

I assume if you try and actually give them some evidence they will either simply ignore it, dismiss it, or say that it can't be right because it contradicts their religion.

So my advice, attack them with humour:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/sumeria...worl,2879/

(November 3, 2010 at 4:13 am)Loki_999 Wrote: I assume if you try and actually give them some evidence they will either simply ignore it, dismiss it, or say that it can't be right because it contradicts their religion.

So my advice, attack them with humour:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/sumeria...worl,2879/

That is still one of the most awesome articles the Onion has ever published.

(November 1, 2010 at 3:51 pm)cookies4life Wrote: Now I would really be interested if you guys could sort of prove me or at least give good evidence that the earth is for sure older than 6000 years

You can use the Bible itself to prove that the earth could be more than 6000 years old. This date is based on the assuption that the genealogies in the Bible are complete. But there are indications that not every generation is included. Exodus 6:18-20 says,

Quote:The sons of Kohath: Amram, Izhar, Hebron, and Uzziel, the years of the life of Kohath being 133 years. The sons of Merari: Mahli and Mushi. These are the clans of the Levites according to their generations. Amram took as his wife Jochebed his father's sister, and she bore him Aaron and Moses, the years of the life of Amram being 137 years.

This shows that Moses was the grandson of Kohath, but Genesis 46:11 shows that Kohath was alive then the Israelites settled in Egypt and Exodus 12:40 says that they were in Egypt 430 years. It is apparent that this genealogy is incomplete. Here is a good place to find out more on this subject:

http://www.backtothebible.org/index.php/...earth.html

(November 2, 2010 at 4:29 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: Firstly they need to prove that the Earth is as old as they say it is and they need to demonstrate this through the scientific method, not just make a flat bald-faced assertion that it is 6,000 to 10,000 years based on the Bible which is half-arsed circular reasoning.

Scientists who say the earth is billions of years old begin by assuming that all the natural processes we see have always gone on as they are now and that God has never intervened. When they come to the conclusion that these processes are responsible for what we see now isn't this also circular reasoning?

Here are two sites that don't base their beliefs on the Bible but reject the theory of evolution for scientific reasons:

http://scienceagainstevolution.org/

http://evolutionfacts.com/index.htm

(November 3, 2010 at 12:23 pm)theophilus Wrote: Here are two sites that don't base their beliefs on the Bible but reject the theory of evolution for scientific reasons:

http://scienceagainstevolution.org/

http://evolutionfacts.com/index.htm

BZZT!!! Non peer-reviewed garbage. Try again.

EDIT: Also their silly "75 Theses" is broken by #11.

(November 3, 2010 at 12:30 pm)Jaysyn Wrote: BZZT!!! Non peer-reviewed garbage. Try again.

How do you know it hasn't been peer reviewed and if it hasn't what difference would that make?

(November 3, 2010 at 12:33 pm)theophilus Wrote:

(November 3, 2010 at 12:30 pm)Jaysyn Wrote: BZZT!!! Non peer-reviewed garbage. Try again.

How do you know it hasn't been peer reviewed and if it hasn't what difference would that make?

Peer Review is the difference between science and some moron ranting on the Internet.