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RE: Sacrifice
August 27, 2015 at 1:47 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 10:10 am)Neimenovic Wrote: I don't get what is so special about JC dying on a cross. I mean ffs there were two other guys dying the same death right fucking there with him -_-
Jesus was sinless, they were criminals who were being executed for their crimes. It took sinless innocent blood to atone fore your sin and mine. The difference between you and me, I accepted what Christ did for me.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 27, 2015 at 2:12 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 10:05 am)Napoléon Wrote: (August 27, 2015 at 9:02 am)Drich Wrote: Christ was the final sacrifice ever needed for atonement. To continue on shedding blood for atonement is to ignore what God has done to put an end to the blood shed.
To put an end to the bloodshed he gave us bloodshed.
Surely god in all his infinite wisdom could have done something a little less barbaric and a little more convincing.
Man caused the bloodshed, when God kill the the animals to cloth Adam and Eve the skins covered their nakedness and the shed blood covered their sin. It's not that God couldn't have done it another way, this is what He chose, the shedding of blood shows us the awfulness of sin, even yourself says it'e repugnant.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 27, 2015 at 2:17 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: (August 27, 2015 at 10:10 am)Neimenovic Wrote: I don't get what is so special about JC dying on a cross. I mean ffs there were two other guys dying the same death right fucking there with him -_-
Jesus was sinless, they were criminals who were being executed for their crimes. It took sinless innocent blood to atone fore your sin and mine. The difference between you and me, I accepted what Christ did for me.
GC
Sinless, yet baptized. 
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RE: Sacrifice
August 27, 2015 at 2:21 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 2:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: Man caused the bloodshed, when God kill the the animals to cloth Adam and Eve the skins covered their nakedness and the shed blood covered their sin. It's not that God couldn't have done it another way, this is what He chose, the shedding of blood shows us the awfulness of sin, even yourself says it'e repugnant.
GC
Oh, the "man's fault" argument. We have free will but god already knows what we're going to do...
Begs the question of why he made that bastard snake talk in the first place.
Still, your answer says nothing about it being less than convincing.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 27, 2015 at 2:38 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 10:05 am)Napoléon Wrote: (August 27, 2015 at 9:02 am)Drich Wrote: Christ was the final sacrifice ever needed for atonement. To continue on shedding blood for atonement is to ignore what God has done to put an end to the blood shed.
To put an end to the bloodshed he gave us bloodshed.
Surely god in all his infinite wisdom could have done something a little less barbaric and a little more convincing.
To what end?
What God did was provide us a physical example of the Spiritual pain He endured to 'forgive our sins.' The reason the final sacrifice was so 'barbaric' was so we may know the level of pain/could phathom the cost experienced by Him.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 27, 2015 at 2:45 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 2:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: (August 27, 2015 at 10:05 am)Napoléon Wrote: To put an end to the bloodshed he gave us bloodshed.
Surely god in all his infinite wisdom could have done something a little less barbaric and a little more convincing.
Man caused the bloodshed, when God kill the the animals to cloth Adam and Eve the skins covered their nakedness and the shed blood covered their sin. It's not that God couldn't have done it another way, this is what He chose, the shedding of blood shows us the awfulness of sin, even yourself says it'e repugnant.
GC
If the shedding of blood is sinful, and Yahweh shed blood when he didn't have to, and demanded it on a regular basis, that means he was sinful. To say that it's ok when he does it is hypocritical.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 27, 2015 at 2:46 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 2:38 pm)Drich Wrote: (August 27, 2015 at 10:05 am)Napoléon Wrote: To put an end to the bloodshed he gave us bloodshed.
Surely god in all his infinite wisdom could have done something a little less barbaric and a little more convincing.
To what end?
What God did was provide us a physical example of the Spiritual pain He endured to 'forgive our sins.' The reason the final sacrifice was so 'barbaric' was so we may know the level of pain/could phathom the cost experienced by Him.
Just when I think there couldn't possibly be anything else shoved up your ass . . . .
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RE: Sacrifice
August 27, 2015 at 2:50 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 2:38 pm)Drich Wrote: To what end?
What're you asking me for? It's god who supposedly wants to 'save us from ourselves' by sacrificing himself.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 27, 2015 at 3:09 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 2:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: (August 27, 2015 at 10:05 am)Napoléon Wrote: To put an end to the bloodshed he gave us bloodshed.
Surely god in all his infinite wisdom could have done something a little less barbaric and a little more convincing.
Man caused the bloodshed, when God kill the the animals to cloth Adam and Eve the skins covered their nakedness and the shed blood covered their sin. It's not that God couldn't have done it another way, this is what He chose, the shedding of blood shows us the awfulness of sin, even yourself says it'e repugnant.
GC
But GC, there were no Adam nor Eve. It's a story, badly written, means nothing, no morals, nothing. Let it go ffs.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 27, 2015 at 3:09 pm
I'm asking why would God need to do things differently, then I go on to explain why He did what He did.
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