(September 15, 2015 at 10:25 am)alpha male Wrote:

(September 14, 2015 at 4:22 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: ....which only brings us back to Rob's point. Why would an abortion matter then? I mean, to you, it's no different if you die as a 40yo, 80yo or two cells, and you get to an afterlife anyway.

Speaking of disingenuous, you're pretending that we're brought back to a point which I've already addressed:

"Even if we accept your argument, you're missing that love of others is the second greatest commandment. The greatest is love of god, and he said to multiply and fill the earth."

The point of Christianity isn't to look for loopholes and try to trick God. I find it interesting that some of you view it that way.

He said to multiply and fill the earth, but he lets fetuses die. Abortion is still a nono though.

Sense? Who needs it.

When did I say that was the point of christianity? I'm just saying the argument that all life is equal and sacred doesn't hold water.

(September 15, 2015 at 11:17 am)Neimenovic Wrote: He said to multiply and fill the earth, but he lets fetuses die. Abortion is still a nono though.

Sense? Who needs it.

Apparently you don't. Atheists tend to cling to this notion that God cannot have certain rules for humans that don't apply to himself. They give no reasoning (that holds up anyway) for that position. We don't hold to that position ourselves. Some humans have rights that other humans don't have. Humans give ourselves rights that we don't give to animals.

The point is, how can abortion be immoral if immoral=displeasing god, or at least with the assumption that morals come from god, if god does it all the time?

I can still say God is a giant cock. Anyone who flaunts their own rules is a nob potato and a hypocrite. One day I'll get to kick his non existent ass, but that day isn't today.

(September 15, 2015 at 11:35 am)alpha male Wrote:

(September 15, 2015 at 11:17 am)Neimenovic Wrote: He said to multiply and fill the earth, but he lets fetuses die. Abortion is still a nono though.

Sense? Who needs it.

Apparently you don't. Atheists tend to cling to this notion that God cannot have certain rules for humans that don't apply to himself. They give no reasoning (that holds up anyway) for that position. We don't hold to that position ourselves. Some humans have rights that other humans don't have. Humans give ourselves rights that we don't give to animals.

(September 15, 2015 at 11:43 am)Neimenovic Wrote: The point is, how can abortion be immoral if immoral=displeasing god, or at least with the assumption that morals come from god, if god does it all the time?

See above.

I watch R rated movies and am pleased.

If my 13 year old daughter watched an R rated movie, I would be displeased.

This isn't rocket science.

Failed analogy is failed -_-

First off, it is not your decision to make. Parents are stewards of their children; they are not their owners. Each person owns their own life. Secondly, you are not considering the role of God in your hypothetical game. God’s options would be:

1. The parent and child both lead righteous lives: Heaven +2, Hell 0
2. The parent unrighteously kills the child: Heaven +1, Hell +1
3. The parent lives righteously, but the child does not: Heaven +1, Hell: +1
4. The parent is otherwise unrighteous and the child becomes wicked: Heaven 0, Hell 2

To my mind, that’s pretty much a wash without taking into consideration of various doctrines concerning eternal security, election, etc.

@ Neim: Argument from ignorance is failed.

(September 15, 2015 at 12:09 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Failed analogy is failed -_-

Yeah, it seems like the argument is: god is older than you, so he can do whatever he wants.